PINNACLE..im calling you out...opps

[PT]

really....How much muscle does IGF give you?

how much muscle does it give me? i cant tell you how much muscle an 8 week cycle of npp and prop give me. i perfer to use slin and igf pwo to aid in recovery. obviously igf helps regulate cell growth and development but i definatly can say what i gain because i have never used it alone. i know alot of people that love igf and the results obtained but just like hgh i also know others that swear it dosnt produce a single positive result. every body reacts differently to different drugs. from what i can gather it is not possible to really say how well it works or dosnt because it all opinions. the only license to conduct human testing is held by a biopharmaceutical company called tercica and is limited to children suffering from growth faliure due to igf deficiency. tests in rats show that igf-1 LR3 can increase the extent of muscle repair and is responsible for hyperplasia which most of us know is more muscle fibers. now i can go on and on about the things i read about igf but personally i dont belive everything because even though rat testing is a neccesity to move on to human testing there is a huge diffrence between the make up of our bodies and that of a rat so i doubt the results are the same. all i know is that igf seems to work for me. i have never gained large amounts of muscle with it like i do with test but i compare the results somewhat to that of hgh. this is an opinion and nothing i wrote is a fact and i realize that after reading PINN's post about the bloodwork being done i realize that i need to do alot more studying and talk to alot more people about this. obviously i cant atgue with pinn's post because he has the bloodwork to back it up so all i can do is find out as much more info as i can about tests run and make up my own conclusion as to whether its benifical for me or not. i want to thank everyone who posted here (especially pinn) because it has been extremly helpful and educational for me and i enjoy debates like this very much because it is how people learn.

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I am very certain that igf promotes muscle growth - like gh. after all hgh launches the release of igf in the liver and igf promotes the processes on cellular levels.

the point is that the chinese are sending whatever labeled as igf/hgh abd ppl assess igf/hgh though they never had anything close to the stuff in their hands.

there is only one human grade pharmaceutical igf product world wide on the market, it is extremely expensive and fragile. it can only last 1 hour out of the freezer - even if the chinese would have been able to copy it, how can the chinese ship this crap 3 days or more without cooling system? do you think they invented a new igf formula that is stable and market it to 1/10 of the price to the bodybuilding community? it s bullshit. I don t get it that ppl are still buying this chinese crap...

[Pinnacle]

I am very certain that igf promotes muscle growth - like gh. after all hgh launches the release of igf in the liver and igf promotes the processes on cellular levels.

the point is that the chinese are sending whatever labeled as igf/hgh abd ppl assess igf/hgh though they never had anything close to the stuff in their hands.

there is only one human grade pharmaceutical igf product world wide on the market, it is extremely expensive and fragile. it can only last 1 hour out of the freezer - even if the chinese would have been able to copy it, how can the chinese ship this crap 3 days or more without cooling system? do you think they invented a new igf formula that is stable and market it to 1/10 of the price to the bodybuilding community? it s bullshit. I don t get it that ppl are still buying this chinese crap...

I completely agree that actual rIGF-1 produces muscle tissue. LR3 IGF-1? No ****ing way...sorry to disappoint those who having been blindly pissing away money on that stuff.
You'd be far better off spending 200 a month on a kit of blue tops as opposed to LRshit IGF-1

I know exactly what my IGF levels are at 2 iu's-4 iu's- 6 iu's -8 iu's -10 iu's

6 and above is where IGF levels really start to soar. That's what you want!

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I really do think this is a great thread.

Watching Pinn take on the world lol....

[Pinnacle]

I really do think this is a great thread.

Watching Pinn take on the world lol....

LOL...not taking anybody on.Years back on this board I was envolved in huge debates over LRshit IGF-1. I have a huge Q & A thread elswewhere, so I'm used to being asked questions. I just didn't care how this thread was titled. It looked like an attack. It certainly could have been worded differently.

I'll be monitoring the thread while viewing: "Teen cum guzzlers". A sunday favorite of mine.

[PT]

LOL...not taking anybody on.Years back on this board I was envolved in huge debates over LRshit IGF-1. I have a huge Q & A thread elswewhere, so I'm used to being asked questions. I just didn't care how this thread was titled. It looked like an attack. It certainly could have been worded differently.

I'll be monitoring the thread while viewing: "Teen cum guzzlers". A sunday favorite of mine.

i agree pinn. when i read the title i was surprised. maybe the author didnt mean it to be an attack but it definatly should of been worded differently or at the very least changed

[BITTAPART2]

i agree pinn. when i read the title i was surprised. maybe the author didnt mean it to be an attack but it definatly should of been worded differently or at the very least changed

holy shit guys, its been changed jeez, and Im the one on tren right now. Relax everyone, i changed the title, im not calling anyone to meet me at the flagpole for a buddy revel showdown at 3pm or anything, nothing but respect for PINN here.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

LOL...not taking anybody on.Years back on this board I was envolved in huge debates over LRshit IGF-1. I have a huge Q & A thread elswewhere, so I'm used to being asked questions. I just didn't care how this thread was titled. It looked like an attack. It certainly could have been worded differently.

I'll be monitoring the thread while viewing: "Teen cum guzzlers". A sunday favorite of mine.

[Pinnacle]

how much muscle does it give me? i cant tell you how much muscle an 8 week cycle of npp and prop give me. i perfer to use slin and igf pwo to aid in recovery. obviously igf helps regulate cell growth and development but i definatly can say what i gain because i have never used it alone. i know alot of people that love igf and the results obtained but just like hgh i also know others that swear it dosnt produce a single positive result. every body reacts differently to different drugs. from what i can gather it is not possible to really say how well it works or dosnt because it all opinions. the only license to conduct human testing is held by a biopharmaceutical company called tercica and is limited to children suffering from growth faliure due to igf deficiency. tests in rats show that igf-1 LR3 can increase the extent of muscle repair and is responsible for hyperplasia which mosy know is more muscle fibers. now i can go on and on about the things i read about igf but personally i dont belive everything because even though rat testing is a neccesity to move on to human training there is a huge diffrence between the make up of our bodies and that of a rat so i doubt the results are the same. all i know is that igf seems to work for me. i have never gained large amounts of muscle with it like i do with test but i compare the results somewhat to that of hgh. this is an opinion and nothing i wrote is a fact and i realize that after reading PINN's post about the bloodwork being done i realize that i need to do alot more studying and talk to alot more people about this. obviously i cant atgue with pinn's post because he has the bloodwork to back it up so all i can do is find out as much more info as i can about tests run and make up my own conclusion as to whether its benifical for me or not. i want to thank everyone who posted here (especially pinn) because it has been extremly helpful and educational for me and i enjoy debates like this very much because it is how people learn.

Good post. I respect your honesty and open mindedness