this is what 12 or 14 weeks on tren and prop does to a fat kid!!!!!

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

The wisdom in deciding to go with gear or not is water under the bridge, it's getting a li'l too hot in here for no good reason. Now that you have already done it and got your physique to where you wanted it to go, just make sure to maintain it naturally. Like the other bros cautioned, you can't use gear to maintain your progress forever, at some point you should be able to hold your gains naturally

[BIGMAC250]

The wisdom in deciding to go with gear or not is water under the bridge, it's getting a li'l too hot in here for no good reason. Now that you have already done it and got your physique to where you wanted it to go, just make sure to maintain it naturally. Like the other bros cautioned, you can't use gear to maintain your progress forever, at some point you should be able to hold your gains naturally

well that was a pick from 2 years ago....i was doing well with keeping everything i put on and took off...untill i started working out of town living out of a suitcase and not nowing when or where i was going to go next....everything was on a whim.....so going to the gym stopped and eating halfway decent went to shit as well......so it put me in a little bit of a recession but i was nothing like i used to be.....between everything ive been reading and have been told these past several weeks......i have literally made a life style change as far a s food goes....and once i am done with this current cycle i will be doing things the natty way for a while....i just want to get to a point where i am comfortable with me i want my body to match my personality and my personality aint one for a fat kid to have...hahahaha...i also agree that i should be able to hold gains naturally and i can its just that circumstances put me in a bad spot....but it aint like that any more nor will it be.

[RoadToRecovery]

well that was a pick from 2 years ago....i was doing well with keeping everything i put on and took off...untill i started working out of town living out of a suitcase and not nowing when or where i was going to go next....everything was on a whim.....so going to the gym stopped and eating halfway decent went to shit as well......so it put me in a little bit of a recession but i was nothing like i used to be.....between everything ive been reading and have been told these past several weeks......i have literally made a life style change as far a s food goes....and once i am done with this current cycle i will be doing things the natty way for a while....i just want to get to a point where i am comfortable with me i want my body to match my personality and my personality aint one for a fat kid to have...hahahaha...i also agree that i should be able to hold gains naturally and i can its just that circumstances put me in a bad spot....but it aint like that any more nor will it be.

And all i see here are excuses... 7-11 sells healthy shit for cheap, and calisthenics are your friend. You were living out of a suitcase... and gained weight? Shows where your priorities lie.

[BIGMAC250]

And all i see here are excuses... 7-11 sells healthy shit for cheap, and calisthenics are your friend. You were living out of a suitcase... and gained weight? Shows where your priorities lie.

im not making excuses but when you work 15 hr days at shutdowns in factories 7 days a week u need to be up by 4 and you dont get home untill whenever you finally get to leave by the time you get back to your room its 7,8,9 at night and you need to go straight to bed to do it all over again...if any of you guys have ever worked shutdowns you know exactly what im talking about.

[BIGMAC250]

thanx to all who had positive feedback

[RoadToRecovery]

im not making excuses but when you work 15 hr days at shutdowns in factories 7 days a week u need to be up by 4 and you dont get home untill whenever you finally get to leave by the time you get back to your room its 7,8,9 at night and you need to go straight to bed to do it all over again...if any of you guys have ever worked shutdowns you know exactly what im talking about.

15 hr days... man thats alot...

Im in the military and ive had days where I would relieve day check at 1400 and be relieved by them by 0700... sometimes 7 days in a row. When a bird has a mission and its down, no one goes home.

All you did was set yourself up for failure. I see guys like you at the gym everyday. They get juice... work out for 6-8 weeks and blow up... and then disappear for 4 or 5 months until they get there hands on more gear and start over.

You consider this negative, while most of the vets here consider this constructive criticism. Any excuse that you can come up with, ive been through it and conquered it. All but 1. Ive worked at a pizzeria and kept my diet clean, ive been in a near fatal motorcycle accident unable to walk for 2 months but yet still maintained my size. Only thing that prevented me from going to the gym was getting in trouble with the military, so alot of my priviledges were revoked... but i still got back into the game and am still killing it.

You can learn alot from the guys here that have year long threads. Look at perfect beasts thread. As long as you stick with it, you can achieve what you want at a pretty fast rate.

I did a job for this amateur body builder; Augi Biondi when i worked for a cess pool company 4-5 yrs ago. He was a customer of ours. This guy was gigantic, in his 40s but just ripped. And he gave me the best advice of my life. he said "You can take anything and everything under the sun. But if your diet is shit, you will get no where. Your physique is 80% diet, 20% everything else. All that bullshit you hear about genetics and metabolism and all that nonsense, is exactly what it is; BULLSHIT."

So there you have it, you are what you eat my friend.