What happened to all the IGF fans?

[RedBaron]

The problem is that Gropep (the owner of the patent to LR3) has in no uncertain terms made it clear - LR3 is NOT for human use in any way, shape, or form. A few of us have talked with representatives from Gropep. They have stated that LR3 was specifically designed for long life for convenient use in cell culture tests in labs. They have further stated that the animal testing that has been done has resulted in kidney and other organ damage. As mentioned above, some of that is to release them from potential liability if someone were to hose their health by using their product. But given that, the fact still remains that there is a HUGE potential for money ... and Gropep isn't going after it, and are still adamantly preaching against its use and usefulness in humans. At last count, I think folks in Australia still like money, so if LR3 had the potential to be useful in humans to any significant degree, they would be preparing human trials and beginning the process to bring to product to the commercial drug industry where ga-zillions of dollars would be waiting for them.

As to trying it by itself, I think several of us did just that. As I mentioned above, it is a pretty handy glucose disposal agent, will help you lose a little fat and tighten up a bit, and will give you some pretty outrageous muscle pumps and fullness. Those were all observations made using ONLY LR3, and actually by more than a few long-term bodybuilders. As far as muscle building potential, it is certainly no better than HGH and insulin which at least for now would be the safe road to travel until we have more confirmation as to the long-term safety of LR3 in the human body.

As to having human trials to prove it as a muscle builder, I don't think you are ever going to see this as Gropep has already said IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR HUMAN USE. Given that statement, there isn't a lab, research facility, or legitimate doctor in the world that is going to touch it. All that being said, there is a human form of bio-identical IGF-1 that has cleared human trials and is now on the market for children with growth issues. It is on the market and being prescribed right now.

The next move is really Gropep's. If their product really does do organ damage with long-term use, then they will maintain the stand they have already made. If there is merit to it in humans, I would expect as some point in time they would bring it to the table and begin trials to allow their investment in the product to pay off. Until that time, what you are hearing from many folks here is to be careful ... it may or may not be a wise thing to run it long-term, and the results are achievable with other substances with a bit more of a demonstrated safety record.

[Pinnacle]

The problem is that Gropep (the owner of the patent to LR3) has in no uncertain terms made it clear - LR3 is NOT for human use in any way, shape, or form. A few of us have talked with representatives from Gropep. They have stated that LR3 was specifically designed for long life for convenient use in cell culture tests in labs. They have further stated that the animal testing that has been done has resulted in kidney and other organ damage. As mentioned above, some of that is to release them from potential liability if someone were to hose their health by using their product. But given that, the fact still remains that there is a HUGE potential for money ... and Gropep isn't going after it, and are still adamantly preaching against its use and usefulness in humans. At last count, I think folks in Australia still like money, so if LR3 had the potential to be useful in humans to any significant degree, they would be preparing human trials and beginning the process to bring to product to the commercial drug industry where ga-zillions of dollars would be waiting for them.

As to trying it by itself, I think several of us did just that. As I mentioned above, it is a pretty handy glucose disposal agent, will help you lose a little fat and tighten up a bit, and will give you some pretty outrageous muscle pumps and fullness. Those were all observations made using ONLY LR3, and actually by more than a few long-term bodybuilders. As far as muscle building potential, it is certainly no better than HGH and insulin which at least for now would be the safe road to travel until we have more confirmation as to the long-term safety of LR3 in the human body.

As to having human trials to prove it as a muscle builder, I don't think you are ever going to see this as Gropep has already said IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR HUMAN USE. Given that statement, there isn't a lab, research facility, or legitimate doctor in the world that is going to touch it. All that being said, there is a human form of bio-identical IGF-1 that has cleared human trials and is now on the market for children with growth issues. It is on the market and being prescribed right now.

The next move is really Gropep's. If their product really does do organ damage with long-term use, then they will maintain the stand they have already made. If there is merit to it in humans, I would expect as some point in time they would bring it to the table and begin trials to allow their investment in the product to pay off. Until that time, what you are hearing from many folks here is to be careful ... it may or may not be a wise thing to run it long-term, and the results are achievable with other substances with a bit more of a demonstrated safety record.

Yep. I'm one of the people you are referring to in regards to talking at length with Gropep.

I've also experimented quite a lot of LR3 on it's own. Actually conducted an experiment with two of my friends as well, and had my endocrinologist over see the project.

It's boils down to LR3 is a very good GDA, as we both have mentioned previously.
However LR3 IGF-1 does not work in the same pathways as does HGH in regards to lyposis, so technically it isn't a fat burner, but used wisely with a tight diet, it can be advantageous to use it as a GDA, thus helping you shed fat easier.

~RR

[chainsaw1]

but no hyperplasia or new muscle growth?

[Pinnacle]

but no hyperplasia or new muscle growth?

You have a better shot at hyperplasia using VPX's NOshotgun..lmao

[legobricks]

Yep. I'm one of the people you are referring to in regards to talking at length with Gropep.

I've also experimented quite a lot of LR3 on it's own. Actually conducted an experiment with two of my friends as well, and had my endocrinologist over see the project.

It's boils down to LR3 is a very good GDA, as we both have mentioned previously.
However LR3 IGF-1 does not work in the same pathways as does HGH in regards to lyposis, so technically it isn't a fat burner, but used wisely with a tight diet, it can be advantageous to use it as a GDA, thus helping you shed fat easier.
~RR

And with my experience the IGF1Lr3 is great for doing that but IMO way to pricey for the results.