well my thumb is still a little messed up but im back to lifting tonight and starting up my suppliments. ill be taking the plasmajet at 8pills everyother day starting tonight and 2 grams of KreAlkalyn post workout, ill check back and let u all know what i think. im going to try the 8 a day so i can get a month in a half or so out of the box, i dont like spending this much on a NO product bo i need to stretch it.