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    i think you raise great points, and psychotron: i think he means just young criminals who dont benefit from going to jail, and just keep reoffending. The knife crime here in england is getting ridiculous, i dont like kids in general and want to kill and rape the lot of them when i hear about them all stabbing one another and beating up random people.

    I see children acting up in public and genuinely dont seem to care about any sort of authority. That in my opinion is because our government, and the western world in general, are pussies who dont seem to live in the real world. If a 9 year old child kicked my dog in the street for no reason, i would scar that child mentally for life, then I would go to jail, and i would be the bad guy.

    When i lived in spain for 6 months, no tourists messed with the police, or even us security for the most part, because they knew that we were abit more free on how we dealt with dickheads.

    Whilst in england, the police cant do shit, and when i worked the doors round here, whenever we so much as restrained someone or put them on the floor, we risked getting sued.

    I urge you all to read the RIP common sense thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timm1704 View Post
    i think you raise great points, and psychotron: i think he means just young criminals who dont benefit from going to jail, and just keep reoffending. The knife crime here in england is getting ridiculous, i dont like kids in general and want to kill and rape the lot of them when i hear about them all stabbing one another and beating up random people.

    I see children acting up in public and genuinely dont seem to care about any sort of authority. That in my opinion is because our government, and the western world in general, are pussies who dont seem to live in the real world. If a 9 year old child kicked my dog in the street for no reason, i would scar that child mentally for life, then I would go to jail, and i would be the bad guy.

    When i lived in spain for 6 months, no tourists messed with the police, or even us security for the most part, because they knew that we were abit more free on how we dealt with dickheads.

    Whilst in england, the police cant do shit, and when i worked the doors round here, whenever we so much as restrained someone or put them on the floor, we risked getting sued.

    I urge you all to read the RIP common sense thread
    In a time of peace, there is always a way out for people who don't want to go to the army and that is to continue on to higher education.

    I think youngsters today have been set a bad example by their peers and for this we are suffering because not all but many don't give a shit about anything.
    I see that if you only sent criminals to the army you would end up with a army full of dick heads resulting in good, normal minded people avoiding the armed forces.

    What id suggest once 17 you go to National Service or you go to Uni.... If for any reason you leave uni prematurely you will be forced to carry out your 3 years national service or go to jail.

    It basically that simple.....

    Young offenders, and criminals would have to be put in another means of service either you go to a military run jail (Glass House).... or a county prison that runs chain gangs.


    Now, for a youth growing up what would your aspirations be?

    Simple fact is, you fvck about you either spend your days being beasted or digging holes.
    You are too thick to go to uni, go to the army n learn a bit of discipline and respect to pass on to the next generation
    You dont like the options available to you for that the answer is plain and simple fvck off to somewhere else then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odpierdol_sie! View Post
    What id suggest once 17 you go to National Service or you go to Uni....
    I disagree...

    I think EVERYONE should have to serve their country for 1-2 years, choice of either military, civil service or "peace corps" type service. None of this draft dodging university crap just because daddy's rich.

    If anything, I am convinced it would make more respectful and well rounded citizens.

    Red

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ketchup View Post
    I disagree...

    I think EVERYONE should have to serve their country for 1-2 years, choice of either military, civil service or "peace corps" type service. None of this draft dodging university crap just because daddy's rich.

    If anything, I am convinced it would make more respectful and well rounded citizens.

    Red
    I didn't get someone to pay for my bachelors, masters or my phd. Doing it on my own. If you want to use that as a blanket excuse, fine, but don't think everyone who worked their ass off to get through college deserves to be sent to the military.

    A draft completely goes against this country's founding principles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    The draft is a totalitarian institution that is based on the idea that the government owns you and can dispose of your life as it wishes. Republican Senator Taft said the draft was “far more typical of totalitarian nations than of democratic nations. It is absolutely opposed to the principles of individual liberty, which have always been considered a part of American democracy.” Conservative thinker Russell Kirk referred to the draft as “slavery”. Military conscription, said Ronald Reagan in 1979, “rests on the assumption that your kids belong to the state…. That assumption isn’t a new one. The Nazis thought it was a great idea.” The following year, in a speech at Louisiana State University, Reagan added:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald Reagan
    I oppose registration for the draft … because I believe the security of freedom can best be achieved by security through freedom. The all-voluntary force is based on the sound and historic American principle of voluntary commitment to the defense of freedom. …The United State of American believes a free people do not have to be coerced in defending their country or their values and that the principle of freedom is the best and only foundation upon which a defense of freedom can be made. My vision of a secure America is based on my belief that freedom call forth the best in the human spirit and that the denser of freedom can and will best me made out of love of country, a love that needs no coercion. Out of such a love, a real security will develop, because in the final analysis, the free human and spirit are the best and most reliable defense.
    In late 1814, fearing that conscription was about to come to America, Daniel Webster delivered a stirring speech against it on the House floor. (Webster served for many years in both the House and the Senate, and he held the office of secretary of state in both the early 1840s and early 1850s.) Webster’s belief in a strong central government made his words against the draft all the more striking. “Where is it written in the Constitution,” he demanded, “in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any way, in which the folly or the wickedness of Government may engage it?” The draft was irreconcilable with both the the principles of a free society and the provisions of the Constitution. “In granting Congress the power to raise armies,” Webster explained, “the people have granted all the means which are ordinary and usual, and which are consistent with the liberties and security of the people themselves, and they have granted no others. …A free government with arbitrary means to administer it is a contradiction; a free government without adequate provisions for personal security is an absurdity; a free government, with an uncontrolled power of military conscription, is a solecism, at once the most ridiculous and abominable that ever entered into the head of man.”

    Webster was right both morally and constitutionally. Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government given the power to conscript citizens. The power to raise armies is not a power to force people into the army. As Webster put it,

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Webster
    I almost disdain to go to quotations and references to prove that such an abominable doctrine has no foundation in the Constitution of the country. It is enough to know that that instrument was intended as the basis of a free government, and that the power contended for is incompatible with any notion of personal liberty. An attempt to maintain this doctrine upon the provision of the Constitution is an exercise of perverse ingenuity to extract slavery from substance of a free government.
    He continued:

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Webster
    Congress having, by the Constitution, a power to raise armies, the Secretary [of War] contends that no restrain is to be imposed on the exercise of this power, except such as is expressly stated in the written letter of the instrument. In other words, that Congress may execute its powers, by any means it chooses, unless such means are particularly prohibited. But the general nature and object of the Constitution impose as rigid a restriction on the means of exercising power as could be done by the most explicit injunctions. It is the first principle applicable to such a case, that no construction shall be admitted which impairs the general nature and character of the instrument. A free constitution of government is to be construed upon free principles, and every branch of its provisions is to receive such an interpretation as if full of its general spirit. No means are to be taken by implication which would strike us absurdly if expressed. And what would have been more absurd than for this Constitution to have said that to secure the great blessings of liberty it gave to government uncontrolled power of military conscription? Yet such is the absurdity which it is made to exhibit, under the commentary of the Secretary of War.
    Lesser forms of the draft, such as compulsory “national service,” are based on the same unacceptable premise. Young people are not raw material to be employed by the political class on behalf of whatever fashionable political, military, or social cause catches its fancy. In a free society, their lives are not the playthings of government.
    Last edited by Psychotron; 07-13-2008 at 11:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ketchup View Post
    I disagree...

    I think EVERYONE should have to serve their country for 1-2 years, choice of either military, civil service or "peace corps" type service. None of this draft dodging university crap just because daddy's rich.

    If anything, I am convinced it would make more respectful and well rounded citizens.

    Red
    i agree with red. i dont think everyone is cut out for military service but people need to serve their country. 1. national pride. 2. discipline 3. work ethic 4. honor

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    I sometimes wonder how many of the folks that roll up their sleeves and start beating on their chests over mandatory national service are the same people who didn't VOLUNTARILY serve while they were young enough to do so.

    "The youth these days are so irresponsible...."

    When the hell have youth ever been responsible?

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