Nolvadex CAN be use with 19nors...

["Maximus"]

Agree with you... don't take my copy/paste comment as an offense to you! Actually, I gave you my answer because it seems like you're making a reference of using them while one is on a cycle. Right?

In any case I like your argument, so I would like to add that we could say that nolva is like a close relative to estrogen and it could potentially interact with a 19nor (like Deca) to produce
some form of gyno.

19nors don't convert to estrogen, we all know that. However, 19nors are known for causing other types of gyno because of over production of progesterone/prolactin levels in the body. Progesterone amounts in excess amount, as you might be aware, can cause (not the regular type of gyno, like tits) your nipples to grow big and produce milk.

To bottom line is that this is not a 19nors problem directly. The problem is when too much estrogen is present, which it could come from 19nors, and 19nors must be taken with Test based cycles, and Tests would do convert to estrogen. Nolva is estrogenic, thus will look for the right receptors to bind to.

19nors are derivatives from DHEA, which is a main component in test development. Think about it for a minute, 19nors bind to test receptors and if you add to the mix a serm like nolva, your homone production (lh) will be mass produced. You add to this SHGB/estrogens, trying to bind with the receptors the serm is also trying to bind to.

[roid_rage]

Agree with you... don't take my copy/paste comment as an offense to you! Actually, I gave you my answer because it seems like you're making a reference of using them while one is on a cycle. Right?

In any case I like your argument, so I would like to add that we could say that nolva is like a close relative to estrogen and it could potentially interact with a 19nor (like Deca) to produce
some form of gyno.

19nors don't convert to estrogen, we all know that. However, 19nors are known for causing other types of gyno because of over production of progesterone/prolactin levels in the body. Progesterone amounts in excess amount, as you might be aware, can cause (not the regular type of gyno, like tits) your nipples to grow big and produce milk.

To bottom line is that this is not a 19nors problem directly. The problem is when too much estrogen is present, which it could come from 19nors, and 19nors must be taken with Test based cycles, and Tests would do convert to estrogen. Nolva is estrogenic, thus will look for the right receptors to bind to.

19nors are derivatives from DHEA, which is a main component in test development. Think about it for a minute, 19nors bind to test receptors and if you add to the mix a serm like nolva, your homone production (lh) will be mass produced. You add to this SHGB/estrogens, trying to bind with the receptors the serm is also trying to bind to.

Good point bro... I'll think about it later and post something, gotta go now...

[one8nine]

Agree with you... don't take my copy/paste comment as an offense to you! Actually, I gave you my answer because it seems like you're making a reference of using them while one is on a cycle. Right?

In any case I like your argument, so I would like to add that we could say that nolva is like a close relative to estrogen and it could potentially interact with a 19nor (like Deca) to produce
some form of gyno.

19nors don't convert to estrogen, we all know that. However, 19nors are known for causing other types of gyno because of over production of progesterone/prolactin levels in the body. Progesterone amounts in excess amount, as you might be aware, can cause (not the regular type of gyno, like tits) your nipples to grow big and produce milk.

19nors stimulate receptors, they do not produce more progesterone. meaning your body reads 5mg as 20mg, but in reality you still only have 5mg.

To bottom line is that this is not a 19nors problem directly. The problem is when too much estrogen is present, which it could come from 19nors, and 19nors must be taken with Test based cycles, and Tests would do convert to estrogen.

did you just say 19nors can make too much estrogen present?

Nolva is estrogenic, thus will look for the right receptors to bind to.

when you say "estrogenic" do you mean it binds to estrogen receptors? od do you mean it increases estrogen related side effects?

19nors are derivatives from DHEA, which is a main component in test development. Think about it for a minute, 19nors bind to test receptors and if you add to the mix a serm like nolva, your homone production (lh) will be mass produced.

are you saying the combination of 19nor/nolva INCREASES lh output?

You add to this SHGB/estrogens, trying to bind with the receptors the serm is also trying to bind to.

what are you getting at with this part?




sorry to be difficult im just not fully understanding what you mean in some parts