estrogen/progesterone and gyno/side effects INFO FOR NEW GUYS

[one8nine]

I've never heard of estrogen reducing gains...

Me and all my friends gain a lot more strength and size total when we don't use an AI, isn't it the same with all of you?

promote formation of female secondary sex characteristics
decelerate height growth[9]
accelerate metabolism (burn fat)
reduce muscle mass
stimulate endometrial growth
increase uterine growth
maintenance of vessel and skin
reduce bone resorption, increase bone formation
morphic change (endomorphic -> ****morphic -> ectomorphic)
protein synthesis
increase hepatic production of binding proteins
coagulation
increase circulating level of factors 2, 7, 9, 10,
, plasminogen


decrease antithrombin III
increase platelet adhesiveness
Lipid
increase HDL, triglyceride
decrease LDL, fat deposition
Fluid balance
salt (sodium) and water retention
Hormones
increase growth hormone
increase cortisol, SHBG
Gastrointestinal tract
reduce bowel motility
increase cholesterol in bile
Melanin
increase pheomelanin, reduce eumelanin
Cancer
support hormone-sensitive breast cancers (see section below)
Lung function
promotes lung function by supporting alveoli (in rodents but probably in humans).[10]
Sexual desire is dependent on androgen levels rather than estrogen levels.[11]

[Mulciber]

guess i may be a little old school but i run 10mg nolvadex and .25 ldex ed during my cycles. had an issue in the past and rather prevent another flair up than react to one.
also from what i remember.. on certain tissue nolvadex can act antagonisticaly or agonistically. In the case of lipid profiles, It acts agonistically. So, running tamoxifen with your anti e's will improve your cholesterol profile.
but one thing about tamoxifen with letro is that nolvadex reduces blood levels of letro by around 37 percent or so. . This does not happen when mixing tamoxifen with anastrozole or exemestane, it only hppens with letro.
as a matter of fact i believe Pheedno posted a study on this some time ago. but its been awhile..

[KZRSOIZE]

i dont think thats what 189 said.......

[one8nine]

guess i may be a little old school but i run 10mg nolvadex and .25 ldex ed during my cycles. had an issue in the past and rather prevent another flair up than react to one.
also from what i remember.. on certain tissue nolvadex can act antagonisticaly or agonistically. In the case of lipid profiles, It acts agonistically. So, running tamoxifen with your anti e's will improve your cholesterol profile.
but one thing about tamoxifen with letro is that nolvadex reduces blood levels of letro by around 37 percent or so. . This does not happen when mixing tamoxifen with anastrozole or exemestane, it only hppens with letro.
as a matter of fact i believe Pheedno posted a study on this some time ago. but its been awhile..

actually i posted a study that nolva reduces arimidex by 27% so you are confused- read the whole thread its in here- arimidex did the study.

plus letro should only be used on cycle
and nolva only in pct
so theres no need to mix them ever

nolvadex on cycle will reduce your gains- in the op i type a few sentences on it im not retyping it

[Mulciber]

oh dont get me wrong. i read your post.. good info.. just my personal opinion.
i dont see a difference when using or not using nolvadex during cycle personally.. i choose to use nolvadex as a preventave measure. if infact it does cause a slight loss of gains most likely due to the ability to lower igf and gh.
not saying your information isnt correct. its all good.
just imo the loss of gains if any while running nolvadex during cycle are negligible. for me atleast.

[one8nine]

oh dont get me wrong. i read your post.. good info.. just my personal opinion.
i dont see a difference when using or not using nolvadex during cycle personally.. i choose to use nolvadex as a preventave measure. if infact it does cause a slight loss of gains most likely due to the ability to lower igf and gh.
not saying your information isnt correct. its all good.
just imo the loss of gains if any while running nolvadex during cycle are negligible. for me atleast.

well bro if that work for you then more power to you
bibmax runs deca only cycles and loves it ha

[Mulciber]

ehhh well, no deca only for me.. thats where i draw the line.. lol

[ironaddict69]

(This is NOT intended to come off as snotty, im just confused now)

So wait 189, if having high estrogen lowers gains, How come everyone and there is a HUGE thread on it here by merc. I think stating that avoiding an AI on cycle will cause more gains?

How come people lose strength, and visible size on letro and other strong compounds like that?

Everybody I have talked to even DOCTORS have stated that higher estrogen builds muscle compared to no/little estrogen.

I have had people on trt LOWER their arimidex dose and all of a sudden a few weeks later blow past their "wall" or sticking point weights.