seizure letter

[Flex-Appeal]

don't know same way other people do I suppose

[RuhlFreak55]

I wish there was.........i guess it was a shitload of gear......about 250bottles....and about 15000tabs/caps of various AAS.......

and u were SURPRISED when the DEA showed up????? are you an idiot? that's kinda like driving around at 120 miles an hour in a red ferrari and expecting that you wont get caught speeding

[bbuilder]

and u were SURPRISED when the DEA showed up????? are you an idiot? that's kinda like driving around at 120 miles an hour in a red ferrari and expecting that you wont get caught speeding

LOL!!!!!!! But remember..........it can happen to you with just one seizure letter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mulciber]

It was a fairly large order, and it was sent within the US from one of my buddies across country.....

looking through this thread kinda made me question a few things.. customs usually sends a seizure letter.international deliveries. yours was domestic.a domestic delivery that gets intercepted will usually end up, especially such a large pack, in a controlled delivery..would have no time to ditch the stuff.. minutes after the arrival there would have been a knock. surely wouldnt have waited 2 weeks.. hey,just an observation, i could be wrong.

[Flex-Appeal]

weird story maybe you have really bad luck or you were a known juice dealer?

[RuhlFreak55]

weird story maybe you have really bad luck or you were a known juice dealer?

it was 250 bottles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[40plusnewbie]

Yep, after they came in with guns drawn, they told me they had a search warrant for my apt and car.......they then put me in handcuffs and set me on the couch and told me to tell them where my stash was......

I told them i didnt have one, and that they could search the place freely....Three hours later, and a desroyed apt.....they let me go

BUMP for jstraw328

So under what conditions did they get the warrant bro? Being aware of these kinds of things is kind of a hobby of mine. Cops can not get a warrant simply because there is something illegal in the mail system that is addressed to you or your house. Did you ever look into it? There is something called the Freedom of Information Act that allows people to gain access to all sorts of government and court documents.

If it had not arrived to your apt and they did have a warrant my first guess is that someone snitched on you and signed an affidavit attesting to the fact that they purchased xyz off of you, something to that effect.

Sure your bro who shipped that stuff to you wasn't somehow involved? I mean transporting stuff within the usa is not exactly a high risk behavior. I personally would be worried that the package would accidently open and ups dude would steal it more than worrying that it would be discovered in my trunk. It doesn't eminate an odor, if you don't speed and your car is up to par so no reason to pull it over then there is almost zero risk in transporting state to state that way.

Why would he take such a big risk as mailing a butload of stuff to your house if he was moving there anyway? I don't get it. It seems like there is something fishy to this story.

I know cops can do what they want, but the story has holes in it. How would the cops even know anything could possibly be going on at your place?

Again, something in the mail IS NOT sufficent grounds for a warrant. You need to take possession or they need to prove intent or have a snitch who attests to the fact that they did controlled buys off of you or something......

This stuff is important to me, and should be taken very seriously by virtually all of us here, I would like to know more. On what grounds did they get a judge to sign a warrant?

[40plusnewbie]

Bump for jstraw328. This is important stuff man. Under what conditions was the warrant issued? How did you get made. Why were you targeted? Who knew? Who ratted you out?

Cops don't get warrants b/c someone finds an illegal item in the mail addressed to a certain person. If that were the case narcotics dealers could simply mail all their competetors some and snitch and bang! overnight they are running the whole shebang.

[bbuilder]

You are correct. There is much more to this story in my opinion then what has been told.

A RAT is definitely in the story I'm sure.

[jstraw428]

there was no rat......all the gear was my buddies.....the reason he sent it to my place, is that he was moving there for about a year, and then was moving overseas.....
He overnited it FEDEX.....The package never made it, but it was listed as delivered by the tracking number.....i thought it might have opened, and the driver saw what it was and took it and scanned it as delivered......

[jstraw428]

When that happened, i got all of my gear and needles and aas related stuff out and kept it at my gf.......about 2-3 weeks later, is when they came through the door....i was in the bedroom bathroom doing something and guess i didnt hear them knock, so they came in......;they told me they had a search warrant for my car and the apt....

[jstraw428]

I asked them what for, and they said a random search at the airport, flagged my package.....they inspected it and confiscated the gear....sending drugs through the mail, is a federal offense.......They said with that amount i must be selling......they then turned up nothing in there search, so they had to drop it.....

[jstraw428]

I still had to get a damn good lawyer to have the package evidence thrown out, I kept saying i did not know the person sending the package, and that it must have been a mistake....I spent about a buttload of money to get off......This was about 5years ago, and it was in court for about a year.....

[jstraw428]

I know this story seems messed up and full of holes........I was never a juice dealer, i just was an unlucky guy trying to help out a friend....nothing more.....

Yes, it can happen with one seizure.....If law enforcement wants you, they will come after you.....

[jstraw428]

IT WAS A DOMESTIC SHIPMENT......so dont think just bc you get your gear shipped within the states your safe.......

[jstraw428]

I got lucky in the end....the only thing i lost was a lot of money and i never did talk to my friend again....

[40plusnewbie]

I asked them what for, and they said a random search at the airport, flagged my package.....they inspected it and confiscated the gear....sending drugs through the mail, is a federal offense.......They said with that amount i must be selling......they then turned up nothing in there search, so they had to drop it.....

Sending drugs through the mail is a crime, yes. But you did not do that, your friend did.

You can not be held responsible legally for something another person does that you know nothing about, were not present when it was done, there is no evidence to demonstrate you coordinated or collaborated in having it happen, etc.

If I mail steroids to you or your next door neighbor *I* am breaking the law. You nor your neighbor have no idea what I have done and there is no evidence that either of you know what I have done.

This story sounds very whack. It doesn't add up.

They need more than a package of steroids with your name on it somewhere in the postal system to get a search warrant.

Of course if they did something like ran finger prints on the gear and traced them to your buddy and then told him "your going down but you can make it easy on yourself if you tell us xyz (i.e. rat you out) and sign an affidavit to that effect we will knock back your charges" and instead of keeping his mouth shut he ratted you out, even if it was made up shizat, maybe they could.

If there is $1,000,000 worth of gear in the mail system right now with my name and address on it that is not sufficient evidence for any LE to get a warrant to search my house. I don't care if the head of the DEA is staring at the pallets packed full of gear addressed to me. He can't get a warrant to search my house based on that.

[40plusnewbie]

I still had to get a damn good lawyer to have the package evidence thrown out, I kept saying i did not know the person sending the package, and that it must have been a mistake....I spent about a buttload of money to get off......This was about 5years ago, and it was in court for about a year.....

What 'package evidence'? Where the hell was the package? I thought it never made it to your house?

If some DEA agent comes knocking on my door and says "Hey pal, there is a semi full of gear out hear shipped from mexico with your name on it" I'm gonna say "Officer, that conversation doesn't interest me" and close the door on him.

I think your either making up a story, adding stuff to it, keeping stuff out of it, or you got ratted on. It's as simple as that. A package with your name on it doesn't mean jack. And it can't be 'delivered' and also in the hands of the cops or fedex for 2 weeks simultaneously.

[QuadPower]

If there is $1,000,000 worth of gear in the mail system right now with my name and address on it that is not sufficient evidence for any LE to get a warrant to search my house. I don't care if the head of the DEA is staring at the pallets packed full of gear addressed to me. He can't get a warrant to search my house based on that.

That does make sense actually. If that was not the case, the police could search any place they wanted. Heck the LE could THEMSELVES mail you a phony package full of gear, then intercept it, get a search warrant and search your place

[jstraw428]

Well they wanted the guy who sent the package, but i would not give him up.....I aint no snitch.....I knew the risks associated with what i was doing, and he was going to compensate me....But things took a different twist....I never did turn him in, but i also didnt get in trouble.....Just a lot of money down the drain with legal fees and about a year wasted in and out of court...

Law enforcement does what it deems necessary to catch criminals....It just sucks i had to be that guy.....

[jstraw428]

With that much gear, they have intent to manufacture and distribute.....this gives them the right to obtain a warrant to search the premise...sending drugs through the mail is federal, which means they have a bit more power than just local police....

I dont care if yall believe me or not, it happened, I was there, and it was not fun....

[40plusnewbie]

With that much gear, they have intent to manufacture and distribute.....this gives them the right to obtain a warrant to search the premise...sending drugs through the mail is federal, which means they have a bit more power than just local police....

I dont care if yall believe me or not, it happened, I was there, and it was not fun....

The picture is becoming a bit clearer now. But YOU did not send drugs through the mail! And they could not prove you did. In fact, from what I gather, they did not even SUSPECT that you did.

You are breaking NO LAWS having drugs in the mail addressed to you or your residence. Do you know how many drug dealers would mail their competition drugs through the mail then snitch them out to expand their own business by getting their competition arrested and put OUT OF BUSINESS? How many jaded ex spouses would mail something through the mail anonymously to their hated ex and drop a dime, how many disgruntled employees, how many unhappy business partners, etc would do this and drop a dime if this were the way the law worked?

It's starting to sound like your bud was a known suspect under investigation at a minimum based on the updtates you provided.

You should use the Freedom of Information Act to find out exactly what conditions were present and what testimony was given to the judge that he based his signing the warrant on your premises and car.

And how much time did your buddy do? There is still a possibility (no disrespect I'm talking in general) that your buddy tried to pass the buck, or at least part of it, on your ass to get out of some stuff himself, reduced sentence and whatnot.

Look into what they had to get the warrant. A big package of steroids addressed to you our your house at the airport is NOT enough. That is why they do controlled deliveries or try to get confessions, or if they suspect an active distribution operations that may trigger their opening an investigation to gather evidence which will later be used to get a warrant and arrest. But the package IS IN NO WAY ENOUGH. Not in the USA, at least not yet. They need MORE.

[bbuilder]

This is exactly my point when messing around with more then normal usage amounts.

NOT WORTH IT.

[jstraw428]

I did not get in trouble, and the only thing i lost was a lot of money and time.....i am done looking into it, bc it happened like 4 years ago.....Since they dropped it, i felt i needed to do the same....whats done is done, No use crying over some spilt milk, or in my case seiezed gear....

I dont think they suspeceted him before, just when package was seized, it was so much, they wanted to knowwhere it was coming from....Oh well, live and learn...


I hope my story has enlightened some of yall, on the risks associated with sending gear through the mail....Domestic or international, it can all be caught....

[bbuilder]

I'm still with 40plusnewbie. Gear does not get seized without reason, nor can they get a warrant, ESPECIALLY domestically.

All the story is not being told.............

[jstraw428]

well if there is more to this story, i dont know it....They said fedex flagged my package, and it was then searched.....With as many tabs/caps as was being sent, i am sure it had a bit of a smell....They have dogs searching the overnight packages all the time...I know, bc i used to work there.....

You guys have no idea, of how many packages are opened and examined for random searches.....They do it all the time....

[40plusnewbie]

well if there is more to this story, i dont know it....They said fedex flagged my package, and it was then searched.....With as many tabs/caps as was being sent, i am sure it had a bit of a smell....They have dogs searching the overnight packages all the time...I know, bc i used to work there.....

You guys have no idea, of how many packages are opened and examined for random searches.....They do it all the time....

Do you know what they do when they find 1 kilo of that stuff from colombia in the mail addressed to someone? They DO NOT get a search warrant. They do a controlled delivery. They CAN'T get a search warrant. Not even if it was 100Kilo's. They need to nab you for possession or prove intent. The package in the mail with your name and/or address on it is NOT enough.

So what they do is get a 'conditional warrant' which stipulates that if and when the package is accepted (the party takes possesson), and usually they like to do this by asking for a signature even if it was not sent registered because the signature is extra hard evidence if it goes to trial. Sometimes they rig packages with little devices that allert when they are opened and rush in with a raid at that moment.

But they really don't want to deliver anything and then hang around too long without acting on the warrant b/c you could slip it through a floorboard to your upstairs neighbors apartment, and apartment they don't have a conditional warrant for.

If they show up and ask you to sign and you refuse and say you never ordered anything from x and are not expecting anything and refuse to take possession, they will try to trick you, try to get you to take possesson, but if you don't they are stuck. The conditional warrant DOES NOT take effect, hense there is no warrant. There is no charge. There is no arrest. They might try to trick you into confessing, but if you refuse the package and keep your mouth shut you are home free. There is nothing they can do (except break the law and lie and said you took possession, etc..)

If you do sign, or take possession, based on their intelligence and general operating procedures they go in. They like to go in quick. They don't want to loose the evidence.

[sharky]

like he said just throw it away. nothing you can do now. dont be surprised if they send you something asking you to come pick up or sign for a pkg. just ignore this and take the hit bro.

[jstraw428]

You guys can talk about what can and should happen all you want....i was merely telling yall what actually happen....I definitely dont agree with how all this went about, but like i said....all i lost was money, and time in court.....i am not behind bars, and i am thinkful for that.....

The point of me telling yall this is this.....LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT, WHEN THEY WANT....AND IF THEY WANT TO BUST YOU BAD ENOUGH, IT SEEMS THE RULES DONT APPLY.....I am not saying this to scare anyone, as i still receive gear through the mail....i am merely saying b careful....