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    making an appointment for bloodwork first thinh in the morning. anyone have any idea what the problem could be if any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngster77 View Post
    making an appointment for bloodwork first thinh in the morning. anyone have any idea what the problem could be if any?
    probably nothing...anxiety maybe...but good for you for getting to a doctor...cant be too carefull

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngster77 View Post
    making an appointment for bloodwork first thinh in the morning. anyone have any idea what the problem could be if any?
    I'm no expert here, as many variables come into play but by what you describe above, you might be experiencing decreased shbg concentrations. When this happens, one may experience decreased sex drive and erectile dysfunction. In women, this is known as hirsutism, where women experience abnormal hair growth from high testosterone levels.

    Most likely cause, as paradoxical this might seem to you, could be from the anti-estrogen effect you went through the PCT. Although you were using hcg, 3500 p/w for 3 wks (=10,500ius) -in your case- might have not been enough (15,000 is the suggested dose a week; too much IMO for most youngster 30<+). A free andro index test (fai) -free testosterone per shbg-should be able to determine if your shbg levels are way low. The problem is not the that your Test levels are low per say, in fact they might be at or above normal levels. However, the culprit behing your symptoms might be the fact that they are not bound to the sex hormone (shbg) itself. This is where a bloodwork comes in handy to determine what exactly is the cause of your ED-like sides since you were through w/PCT a little over 4 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by "Maximus" View Post
    I'm no expert here, as many variables come into play but by what you describe above, you might be experiencing decreased shbg concentrations. When this happens, one may experience decreased sex drive and erectile dysfunction. In women, this is known as hirsutism, where women experience abnormal hair growth from high testosterone levels.

    Most likely cause, as paradoxical this might seem to you, could be from the anti-estrogen effect you went through the PCT. Although you were using hcg, 3500 p/w for 3 wks (=10,500ius) -in your case- might have not been enough (15,000 is the suggested dose a week; too much IMO for most youngster 30<+). A free andro index test (fai) -free testosterone per shbg-should be able to determine if your shbg levels are way low. The problem is not the that your Test levels are low per say, in fact they might be at or above normal levels. However, the culprit behing your symptoms might be the fact that they are not bound to the sex hormone (shbg) itself. This is where a bloodwork comes in handy to determine what exactly is the cause of your ED-like sides since you were through w/PCT a little over 4 weeks.

    thanks for the information. if in fact my shbg levels are low, is there something i can do to bring them back up? or will time take care of the problem? thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngster77 View Post
    thanks for the information. if in fact my shbg levels are low, is there something i can do to bring them back up? or will time take care of the problem? thanks again!
    Well, green tea may actually help you on this at 4 or 5 cups per day. Also, you can add some Clomid at 50mg + cabergoline for 2 - 4 weeks to increase libido. The Clomid + caber have synergistic effects in increasing libido, as well as helping restore natty levels. Also, some cialis in the mean time wouldn't hurt.

    Again, these are just suggestions not MEDICAL advice... I suggest you to pay a visit to the doc and get that blood work done so don't take my suggestions as what you should ultimately do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Maximus" View Post
    Well, green tea may actually help you on this at 4 or 5 cups per day. Also, you can add some Clomid at 50mg + cabergoline for 2 - 4 weeks to increase libido. The Clomid + caber have synergistic effects in increasing libido, as well as helping restore natty levels. Also, some cialis in the mean time wouldn't hurt.

    Again, these are just suggestions not MEDICAL advice... I suggest you to pay a visit to the doc and get that blood work done so don't take my suggestions as what you should ultimately do.
    Green tea, interesting, I've never heard of it increasing libido?

    I always add a natural test booster when I come off, something like vitrix works well for me, but I heard cialis works better for loss of sex drive.

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    [QUOTE=DS21;4230473]Green tea, interesting, I've never heard of it increasing libido?

    No libido per say, as I was generalizing along with the Clomid+Caber... green tea extract might help in elevating shbg levels without significantly elevating estro levels... there's a host of factors that plays into this, but green tea extract has a host of beneficial sides, besides potentially stimulating/regulating androgen activity (shbg), without the side effects of using an anti-androgen to elevate shbg levels. I've never used vitrix but like you say, I would use cialis for any ED problem that I might develop.
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    [QUOTE="Maximus";4230659]
    Quote Originally Posted by DS21 View Post
    Green tea, interesting, I've never heard of it increasing libido?

    No libido per say, as I was generalizing along with the Clomid+Caber... green tea extract might help in elevating shbg levels without significantly elevating estro levels... there's a host of factors that plays into this, but green tea extract has a host of beneficial sides, besides potentially stimulating/regulating androgen activity (shbg), without the side effects of using an anti-androgen to elevate shbg levels. I've never used vitrix but like you say, I would use cialis for any ED problem that I might develop.
    I wasn't trying to say it wouldn't help, I just never heard of it helping in that department. All the recomendations you gave where perfect, just the green tea was interesting to me. Like I said, I've never heard of it helping with the elevation of shbg, but will research it.

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