Creatine Confusion?!?!?

[nissantech]

Well I've been reading endless posts on different types of creatines, on this forum and also over the net. Ive narrowed my pick to cee, mono, and kre alkalyn. But every other post contradicts the other with these three types. I really just want to get to the bottom of them. people say cee is useless when in contact with stomach acid, mono bloats you, and alkalyn really has no proven science behind it but people swear by it. I don't really want to spend my hard earned money and time on something useless. please someone end my journey to finding the perfect one!

[Reed]

Go with either Kre alk or mono. I use Kre Alk and it works no doubt, there is scientific evidence for it as well. CEE is a no go

[Ashop]

Go with either Kre alk or mono. I use Kre Alk and it works no doubt, there is scientific evidence for it as well. CEE is a no go

why do you say no go on CEE.
I know the raw powder tastes bad but in
caps has been effective for me.

[Reed]

why do you say no go on CEE.
I know the raw powder tastes bad but in
caps has been effective for me.

Sup A l i n. I don't know about how it effective it is personally just from what I have heard other users state and some research articles. Here you are sir.

Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid

Child R1 and Tallon MJ2

1Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. 2University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, [email protected]

Creatine ethyl ester (CEE) is a commercially available synthetic creatine that is now widely used in dietary supplements. It comprises of creatine with an ethyl group attached and this molecular configuration is reported to provide several advantages over creatine monohydrate (CM). The Medical Research Institute (CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (CE2) provides greater solubility in lipids, leading to improved absorption. Similarly San (San Corporation, CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (San CM2 Alpha) avoids the breakdown of creatine to creatinine in stomach acids. Ultimately it is claimed that CEE products provide greater absorption and efficacy than CM. To date, none of these claims have been evaluated by an in***endent, or university laboratory and no comparative data are available on CEE and CM.

This study assessed the availability of creatine from three commercial creatine products during degradation in acidic conditions similar to those that occur in the stomach. They comprised of two products containing CEE (San CM2 Alpha and CE2) and commercially available CM (Creapure?). An in***endent laboratory, using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), performed the analysis. Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes. Creatine availability was assessed by immediately assaying for free creatine, CEE and the creatine breakdown product creatinine, using HPLC (UV)

After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial CEE present was available from CE2, while the amount of CEE available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in CEE availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120minutes incubation 72% of the CEE was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the creatine remained available from CM.

CEE is claimed to provide several advantages over CM because of increased solubility and stability. In practice, the addition of the ethyl group to creatine actually reduces acid stability and accelerates its breakdown to creatinine. This substantially reduces creatine availability in its esterified form and as a consequence creatines such as San CM2 and CE2 are inferior to CM as a source of free creatine.




I'll try to find more studies for you

[niceshotman]

I don't know all the science behind it, but rather than re-invent the wheel, I just copy what other very successful people have done. I know some pretty big dudes who use the CEE, so I started to use it. What's better, what's best, I don't know. But everyone seems to have an opinion on it. In reality, creatine alone is not going to make you huge anyway. But if you really want to get the most from creatine, then why not take all the different types...that way you got all the bases covered.

BTW, I use CEE right after WO with WMS to help shuttle it into the blood quickly.

[azz10]

IMO i reckon mono works really well.. and go for the crea-pure ones coz its been filtered from impurities.. creatine bloats u up regardless coz of water retention..

[nissantech]

thanks guys, i guess there is not really a clear way to say which one is the best. I really appreciate your help guys, i guess ima have to expeirimentlol.

[niceshotman]

I heard that SizeOn is very good creatine. I heard this from a reputable buddy of mine who is very knowledeable in creatine products. By the time I heard this, I had already bought a big container of the CEE...but once all my CEE is gone, I plan to try the SizeOn. If I did not have any creatine already, that is what I would start with. You might want to give that a try.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Try them all and see what works for you.