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[KeepBuilding]

All right guys, I really appreciate all yours replys. I will re-write my question and add some points ok? Sorry for make everyone read it one more time.

At first, i think everybody knows that long esters makes you bloat more than shorter ones, but i never see the explanation of the mechanism behind it. Some will say its due the diferent half-lifes... but testosterone suspension has the shorter half life and makes you bloat more than all others. It doenst make sense right now.

Redz is right when he says the bloat effect is diet oriented, but someone following a diet and using test suspension will be more bloat if he follow the same diet and use test prop or enanth.


BIG TRUCK, i get your point, but even when you take test enant or cip in a daily basis you will be more bloat than when you take test prop in the same way. I think it isnt a matter of scheddule. By the way, thats why the injections should follow the half-life of each drug, to maintain the androgenic blood levels stable.

jimmi, your are right when you think about test suspension and all other esters, but when you think about test prop and test cip (for example) it drives you to the opposite conclusion.

redz, Do you got me now? If no, I can repeat it again with others words. =)

[jimmyinkedup]

All right guys, I really appreciate all yours replys. I will re-write my question and add some points ok? Sorry for make everyone read it one more time.

At first, i think everybody knows that long esters makes you bloat more than shorter ones, but i never see the explanation of the mechanism behind it. Some will say its due the diferent half-lifes... but testosterone suspension has the shorter half life and makes you bloat more than all others. It doenst make sense right now.

Redz is right when he says the bloat effect is diet oriented, but someone following a diet and using test suspension will be more bloat if he follow the same diet and use test prop or enanth. Good point - but diet will def help


BIG TRUCK, i get your point, but even when you take test enant or cip in a daily basis you will be more bloat than when you take test prop in the same way. I think it isnt a matter of scheddule. By the way, thats why the injections should follow the half-life of each drug, to maintain the androgenic blood levels stable. Will you get more bloat that way?? I mean ive never done it daily but with enan I dont really get alot of bloat (or w/ prop) little more bloat with cyp ..

jimmi, your are right when you think about test suspension and all other esters, but when you think about test prop and test cip (for example) it drives you to the opposite conclusion.Hmm my theory ..and it is just that- is that full amount of testosterone is avail with base immediately ...therefore estrogen conversion(aromitization) happens almost immedaitely and even with an AI that spike in estro prob has sides..and it is also hard to maintain stable test levels with base ..much harder than prop so u r left with high estro / low relative test levels at least for a period unless u pin every 6-8 hrs round the clock.

redz, Do you got me now? If no, I can repeat it again with others words. =)

So possibly base is so fast acting your test / estro level fluxuate rapidly and dramatically = sides. Enanth and cyp - while less dramatic fluxuations ..much less ..but over a longer period = sides. Prop = perfect middle ground.
I definately cant answer your question with a fact - just theories and experince that says suspensions makes me retain h20 more than any other test i've used. Def understand your curiousity about it.

[KeepBuilding]

So possibly base is so fast acting your test / estro level fluxuate rapidly and dramatically = sides. Enanth and cyp - while less dramatic fluxuations ..much less ..but over a longer period = sides. Prop = perfect middle ground.
I definately cant answer your question with a fact - just theories and experince that says suspensions makes me retain h20 more than any other test i've used. Def understand your curiousity about it.

I do understand your theorie, jimmi. I dont want merely disagree with you ok? Im really trying to learn why this diferent estrogenic conversion rate happens with diferents testosterone esters, and Im glad that some people like you stay here trying to teach me something I cant find out by myself.

Yes, testosterone suspension get quickly into blood stream after the injetion and it can make estrogens levels go high, causing all the estrogenic effects, like bloat, high pressure, etc. In the other side, long ester reachs the bloodstream slowly and the estrogenic effects still happens, but I dont think its due to the long period it keep acting in the body. If its true, after 4-6 weeks using test prop you will be bloated too, and I never see it happening (under the correct diet, of course).

[jimmyinkedup]

I do understand your theorie, jimmi. I dont want merely disagree with you ok? Im really trying to learn why this diferent estrogenic conversion rate happens with diferents testosterone esters, and Im glad that some people like you stay here trying to teach me something I cant find out by myself.

Yes, testosterone suspension get quickly into blood stream after the injetion and it can make estrogens levels go high, causing all the estrogenic effects, like bloat, high pressure, etc. In the other side, long ester reachs the bloodstream slowly and the estrogenic effects still happens, but I dont think its due to the long period it keep acting in the body. If its true, after 4-6 weeks using test prop you will be bloated too, and I never see it happening (under the correct diet, of course).

Not true cause the fluxuations are much shorter in duration with prop because of 1/2 life and frequent injections much more consistent and not only shorter duration but less dramatic fluxuation
my theory with cyp/enan was that while they are long acting it is never at the exact constant level it fluxuates ...and since longer time between injections while the fluxuation in test/estro ratio is less dramatic...it occurs over a longer period. With suspension in is a fast, very unmanageable and dramatic fluxuation .So in other words maybe its the fluxuation in test/estrogen ratios (test vs estrogen) that are causing sides. Using prop these fluxations would be less. Like I said just a theory. I respect the quest for knowledge ...at some point it might just come down to knowing what really happens ...not why. Thats about all I can think of -def an intriguing topic ...where is Patrick Arnold when you need him????