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  1. 11-18-2008, 10:03 PM #1
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    Havoc Vs Epistane

    When the hype over these two first started to hit the forums I thought; Ill give the one with the cooler bottle a try... I of course assumed thier exactly the same.

    Long story short... Epistane didnt do crap for me... then I read all this stuff about *** seriously underdosing thier stuff and though maybe this was the issue since everyone seemed to love this Havoc stuff...

    Some time later I have yet to try Havoc and its that time again and im looking for something to run this winter...

    Should it be Havoc because the *** stuff I got "back when" was underdosed crap... OR.... should I look at other cycles being that Epistane works wonders for everyone but me?

    Opinions much appreciated.
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  2. 11-18-2008, 10:14 PM #2
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    It's the almost same compound..

    2, 3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol

    2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-supplementstan-17b-ol

    I'd go the Spawn route, combination of Havoc/Epistane and Tren. You will not be dissapointed.
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    Well, I did try tren (last cycle actully) and didnt care for it. The amount of progestin side effects I had compared to size/strength increase was not worth it to me. I dont know too many that have had sucess with the Oral-Tren stuff... Maybe the two work better together then alone...

    What if any sides did you experience and what did you do for PCT?
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  4. 11-18-2008, 11:15 PM #4
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    If you want something that'll work I have many friends that have taken Hemobolin, which is a blend of superdrol and epistane/havoc. Definitely very liver toxic though and I would not take it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexecution View Post
    If you want something that'll work I have many friends that have taken Hemobolin, which is a blend of superdrol and epistane/havoc. Definitely very liver toxic though and I would not take it
    Yeah, Ive seen this stuff... Way to hard on the system for my liking.

    SD used to be a personal fav of mine when it first came out... But Im getting married and Feb and Cant risk the heavy shut down and side effects these days. Kinda why im lookin into Havoc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexecution View Post
    If you want something that'll work I have many friends that have taken Hemobolin, which is a blend of superdrol and epistane/havoc. Definitely very liver toxic though and I would not take it

    I was told that Hemobolin was a combination of SD and Halodrol, and a third compound. I could be mistaken though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ****** View Post
    I was told that Hemobolin was a combination of SD and Halodrol, and a third compound. I could be mistaken though.
    That's exactly what it is. Definitely the sure-thing prohormone if you want something that will work. there are legit 3 steroids in it, extremely liver toxic

    Here is Hemobolin 250, includes tribulus in it as well

    2a, 3a-Epithio-17a-Methyl- 5a-Androstan-17b-Ol
    2a, 17a-Dimethyl-17b-Hydroxy-5a-Androstan-3-One
    4-Chloro-Dehydro-Methyl-Androst-Diol
    Tribulus Terrestris (45% Steroidal Saponins, 5% Protodiocin)
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    hmmm... anyone elses thoughts? im gonna try a havoc cycle around christmas unless someone changes my mind...
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  9. 11-20-2008, 03:14 PM #9
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    I heard the Havoc is good, but I guess you need some kind of PCT for it. All the names are so dam confusing...Novedex, Nolvadex...it all sounds the same to me. I know a guy who didn't even do PCT after the Havoc. I have a bottle of Havoc, but I'm not using it until I can get the details about what you need for PCT with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niceshotman View Post
    I heard the Havoc is good, but I guess you need some kind of PCT for it. All the names are so dam confusing...Novedex, Nolvadex...it all sounds the same to me. I know a guy who didn't even do PCT after the Havoc. I have a bottle of Havoc, but I'm not using it until I can get the details about what you need for PCT with it.
    Tamoxifen Citrate aka as Nolvadex. Novedex XT by gaspari nutrition is usueless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niceshotman View Post
    I heard the Havoc is good, but I guess you need some kind of PCT for it. All the names are so dam confusing...Novedex, Nolvadex...it all sounds the same to me. I know a guy who didn't even do PCT after the Havoc. I have a bottle of Havoc, but I'm not using it until I can get the details about what you need for PCT with it.

    Havoc PCT wouldnt be nearly as bad as some of these others people are naming...

    Hemobolin 250 = Death. without Cycle support and PCT Haha... Thats some tough stuff right there

    Im gonna go w Havoc too and some Furazadrol, PCT for this cycle should be pretty mild. I would think that a lil Nolva will do the trick
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