pct and dosage advice

[smokethedays]

not really looking for a specific answer. didn't know it was same people on different boards, wanted a couple opinions. I wanted to see if they agreed with the dosage and length. I dont want test, will be ok with mild gains. I understand the best cycle is with test, just not for me, maybe later.

Thats what I composed the cycle above based on.

however, I do agree with most people here in EQ alone or with orals being not a great choice.

[mholla]

Thats what I composed the cycle above based on.

however, I do agree with most people here in EQ alone or with orals being not a great choice.

What would you expect from this? What would you recommend for someone that doesn't want to risk hard sides, liver toxicity with ability to keep most of gains?

[smokethedays]

What would you expect from this? What would you recommend for someone that doesn't want to risk hard sides, liver toxicity with ability to keep most of gains?

Using what steroids? If your open to use Test then.
Try Test Prop. for 12 weeks Min. (I'd go for 16 IMO, Im ok with ED shots) with ED shots at 50 mg and a GREAT diet plan. You can expect 10 lbs of this if you never used Test before. or fnot or a while (more than 2 years).

[mholla]

I've never used test before. Does it have to be used everyday?

so:

350mg/wk test prop week 4-16
600mg/wk eq week 1-16
50mg/day winstrol week 10-16

pct (not sure?):

HCG 3000/3000/1500/1500 IU / 5days week 12-14
nolva 20 mg/day week 12-17
clomid 100 mg/day week 14-15
clomid 50 mg/day week 16-17

[smokethedays]

I've never used test before. Does it have to be used everyday?

so:

350mg/wk test prop week 4-16
600mg/wk eq week 1-16
50mg/day winstrol week 10-16

pct (not sure?):

HCG 3000/3000/1500/1500 IU / 5days week 12-14
nolva 20 mg/day week 12-17
clomid 100 mg/day week 14-15
clomid 50 mg/day week 16-17

Keep the EQ off if you want better results and solid gains and minimal toxcity, not to say EQ is toxic but to keep levels lower and since you never ran TEst before, you should try it alone.
May be some winstrol at the end. thats all.

Weeks 1-16
Test Prop 50mg/ED or 100 mg/EOD (ED is a better choice)

Weeks 8-16
Winstrol 50mg/ED

PCT:
2 days after last Test shot:

1000 IU HCG every 4th day for 2 weeks (about 4 shots)
days 1-2
200 mg clomid ED
days 3-5
100 mg clomid ED
days 6-21
50 mg clomid ED

Keep Nolvadex or Arimidex handy.

[mholla]

Keep Nolvadex or Arimidex handy.

during cycle for gyno? wouldn't it be better to run clomid with nolvadex to help lower clomid sides (smaller dose needed)? Also, i have dbol sitting around, should I incorporate that at all? thanks for the advice, i appreciate it.