we are working on clinical studies but this takes time and a lot of money. money unfortunately many companies do not have. this is why you will never see a supplement company have research done and published on a material before it is released. this is typically not feasible and many time is not called for. i make a product based off of 50+ published reports of ingredients (what we used to make T-bol) that was used on both humans and rats (see our product writeup on our website for every study used) and make a product. if they product works i question this and gets great reviews then awesome you have a winner right? well we go beyond that and get blood work done proving that it does truly work your bloodwork proves nothing if you dont publicly show before during and after lab reports substantiating claims...which so far you dont. the cost of doing double blind studies is virtually not needed and while it will help build credibility, the end user could care less I care. he has friends, board members, and blood work all in his favor No proof of this. this would be enough for virtually every person out there to commit to trying a product If it were true possibly. get my drift bro? i dont think you realize how much it cost to develop, test, retest, perfect, retest, create logo/ads etc, and put out a quality product.[/QUOTE]
remember what i do for a living ..these costs i know very well... ur right its expensive but i feel it a fundimental necessity ..i realize in your industry it isnt done often if at all ...but that represents exactly whats wrong with the industry. How many less than credible, corrupt companies are there as a result of these procedures lacking???
What you do do..publish it openly ...real lab reports not typed info ..beginning mid end of administration. Control group pertinent to target market (appears you did try this) 1/2 posted results and opinions of guys who in their mind are getting free stuff who know what it should do is suspect. Throw in placebos...get input from test participants there..that will explain my last comment (placebo effect def exists esp in this area ). Not correct but better than what im seeing. I wanna believe in a supp company i truly do ..it would be refreshing.
I reiterate and hopefully leave this debate on civil terms:
btw my malice is not intended to be directed tword you personally....the industry itself is corrupt...you are a part of it..while u may try to do more your studies and methods are so flawed they lose all credibility to the intelligent, well educated consumer. I challenge your company ...stand up ...do it right(really right)...change the trend..lead the way...go that extra mile .....do that , like i said with an effective base compound (hell do it right with this one and prove me wrong-i personally am skeptical thats possible but hey go for it)..and ill back you 100%.... (and so will THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of consumers IMO
Happy Holidays....
ps - i truly would like a response on the bold statement in post #22 ..i feel it is very pertinent valid point.
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