pumpseeker, yeah i dont know what is up with those abbs, I think I just need to get my bodyfat % lower to get them out. when I flex, the upper abs and sides come out but there is still some last bit of fat around my lower back and lower abbs that I need to trash away. Well i have dropped some of my carbs, doing cardio 2 times a day on off days, so well see where I get in the next few weeks

thanks bro for the comps!!!!--gonna keep trying to get bigger