Relation between testo and a steroids...

[Corleone1]

Hello!

I wonder what your more heavy users think of my thoughts. Most regular cycles will have a heavy testo base like 1000 mg/w and on that 300-600 mg regular a-s a week.

I concider a Tren cycle of the "opposite", more Tren and less testo. Like 600 mg Tren/w and maybe only 250 mg testo/w.

Is there any of you experienced users that have tried just to keep up testo levels to twice the basal level (with only 250/w) and let the Tren, that is more potent than testo do the job?

Of course with HCG, dopaminagonist and a good pct. Maybe some HGH s well...

I am 50 years, trained for 35, 225@8%, 450 bench press, 665 squat, 665 deadlift, this before all injuries of course.

Opinions please!

[Big]

I have advocated this many times, for comparison sake I once ran a cycle of 600mg/week test and 600mg/week deca. after pct and time off I ran 250mg/week test and 600mg/week deca. the gains were about the same and I had much less acne on my back and shoulders. although I still experiment and mix things up, I do know that running a low base dose of test with higher doses of 19nor groups can be a very effective way to cycle.

[Corleone1]

I have advocated this many times, for comparison sake I once ran a cycle of 600mg/week test and 600mg/week deca. after pct and time off I ran 250mg/week test and 600mg/week deca. the gains were about the same and I had much less acne on my back and shoulders. although I still experiment and mix things up, I do know that running a low base dose of test with higher doses of 19nor groups can be a very effective way to cycle.

Thanks!

Do you think that 250 mg/w is enought testo?

What would you say about Tren dosage a week, is 750 mg/w ok?

[Big]

Thanks!

Do you think that 250 mg/w is enought testo?

What would you say about Tren dosage a week, is 750 mg/w ok?

250/week test would be fine. as for tren, I recomment those who run tren start at around 350mg/week the first time they run it, and on subsequent cycles bump it up each time until they hit a point where they can't handle the sides.

[johnnybigguns]

I have advocated this many times, for comparison sake I once ran a cycle of 600mg/week test and 600mg/week deca. after pct and time off I ran 250mg/week test and 600mg/week deca. the gains were about the same and I had much less acne on my back and shoulders. although I still experiment and mix things up, I do know that running a low base dose of test with higher doses of 19nor groups can be a very effective way to cycle.

hey big when you ran a lower dose of test with the higher dosed 19nor did you ahev any problem with libido or teh little guy functioning

[Ozzy]

I'm on a high dose of test right now (900mg ew sustaplex) and I get it up but have the hardest time busting a nut. I have heard this is common on higher doses of test at my other forum....ology.

[Big]

hey big when you ran a lower dose of test with the higher dosed 19nor did you ahev any problem with libido or teh little guy functioning

on average an adult male would produce approx. 49mg/week of test. the 19nor will suppress that entirely, but can not suppress what you inject. at 250mg/week you're still over 5 times what would be considered normal. Most I have heard from who did this had no issues, but I have heard from some who did. I really don't know enough about the medical side of things to understand why some had problems, but it could be due to the way the 19nor affects them, I wouldn't rule out prolactin issues, but who knows.

[Corleone1]

250/week test would be fine. as for tren, I recomment those who run tren start at around 350mg/week the first time they run it, and on subsequent cycles bump it up each time until they hit a point where they can't handle the sides.

Ok, I have used 1000 mg test/w and 400 mg Tren/w before. I did not notice any side effects.

What do you think the first sign of Tren side effects is?

My plan is 250 test/w and 750 Tren/w.

[Big]

everyone is different, the main sides I get from tren are night sweats, weird vivid dreams, aggression, and drastically decreased cardio endurance.

[redz]

everyone is different, the main sides I get from tren are night sweats, weird vivid dreams, aggression, and drastically decreased cardio endurance.

This is so true I dont get the dreams or decreased cardio endurance myself but I do alot of cardio while on tren so that may be why.

[Corleone1]

everyone is different, the main sides I get from tren are night sweats, weird vivid dreams, aggression, and drastically decreased cardio endurance.

Ok, what is your experience of dosage? At what dosage did you get the side effects?

[Big]

I've gotten those sides at every dosage I've run, but I find those to be tolerable sides so I just deal with them.

[redz]

I just ran 400mg/week Tren with 600mg/Test Cyp.

I am looking at upping both in my next cycle something like 800mg/Test E with 600mg/Tren E for a bulk cycle but that may be a little excessive.

[Corleone1]

Thanks boys!