why do grown ups dress like this?

[Narkissos]

You say that the prejudice associated with the sagging of pants is similar to the prejudice against people with tattoo's. I would disagree. My contempt against people who choose to wear their pants in such a manner is that I feel it portrays a lack of respect for ones self and ones community. I do not feel that tattoo's in and of themselves are an offensive thing to have on ones body. However, I would say that if a person were to display tattoo's on their body which displayed profanity, obscenity, or nudity then a bias against such displays would be warranted in the same way people assume a person with sagging pants is discriminated against. It is about an outward display of disrespect to the community, and not a racial issue. It becomes a racial issue if you decide it is one, but to those of us who are arguing soundly against it, to suggest we are racializing the issue is incorrect.

^^In bold above.

That is exactly point bro.

re: your normative values

You do not find tattoos in and of themselves offensive, but you find the style as being personally and socially offensive.

Transpose a tatted up guy to Japan, where tattooing is associated almost exclusively with crime families... and you have the this very same level of prejudiced response.

Some places in Japan refuse entry to guys with tattoos (even tourists) because of the negative connotation(s) associated with such.

Different perceptions... equal prejudices.

Your normative values are constructs.

It is *not* right to label a culture stupid because it does not fit into your normative value system.

-CNS

[thegodfather]

^^In bold above.

That is exactly point bro.

re: your normative values

You do not find tattoos in and of themselves offensive, but you find the style as being personally and socially offensive.

Transpose a tatted up guy to Japan, where tattooing is associated almost exclusively with crime families... and you have the this very same level of prejudiced response.

Some places in Japan refuse entry to guys with tattoos (even tourists) because of the negative connotation(s) associated with such.

Different perceptions... equal prejudices.

Your normative values are constructs.

It is *not* right to label a culture stupid because it does not fit into your normative value system.

-CNS

I wasn't really trying to refute your point of my assumptions being normative values. We judge people by their appearence every single day, and no one says anything about it. Most of us on this board would look at a fat out of shape person and say they most likely are a person who doesn't care about themselves, lacks discipline, and stuffs their fat face with food all day long.

My problem was with you characterising those of us who judge people by the sagging of their pants as embracing some sort of a "racist" ideology. People are judged every single day by a number of parameters and of course they are all based on normative values. Sure, we should all get to know every person we see and find out that they are really a person who contributes to society, has feelings, and is a great member of society. Of course that would be completely impractical and a huge waste of time. So instead we determine who we will interact with based on a number of superficial characteristics.