My big issue is that i dont want to take roids for a long period of time. For example bulking cycle, intermediate cycle then a cutting cycle. My goal is to gain quality muscle and shed some bady fat at the same time.I already have a decent figure. I recently started going back to the gym in oct 08 and i went from 195lb to 230lb with nitric oxdide products(no2, nanox9, natural test boosters(tribulus,arimatest), and lots of food and protein. So i know i can gain quickly i just want to break the 230 barrier. And as for the bf% its not an accurate number. i havent really found out what my real bf is. Im not fat all around i just have a little belly fat. I understand conventional methods say to bulk up with normal test and then shred down but ive been bulking for about four months naturallly now. Give me ur POV why it isnt a good idea. and above all is it a good combination if i where in that stage?