Hamas is at it again

[*RAGE*]

You are talking about how Israel has more UN resolutions issued against it than any other country on earth, right? Yeah, pretty crazy. But we only invade Muslim countries--not Jewish ones--when they violate UN resolutions.

I noticed you can make other post here...keep that side of you up because this is getting old...Jews suck,,,,Jews are mean hate full POS...jews are killing people for nothing.....Jews are steeling our land.....jews are the new germany......Hilter dont have shit.....on the Jews.....My people are dying because the Jews are lying..to the world....the Jews are using white phosphours.......the Jews are targeting schools, hospitals,,,,,and innocent people walking down the street....Jews have no reason to do this......

Palastinian to include Hamsa...are good...and peace full people.....



Let not forget........the sorry ass American are giving all the money to the Jews so they can do this....and the UN is standing by while all this is happening.....God I feel like shit....

[amcon]

I noticed you can make other post here...keep that side of you up because this is getting old...Jews suck,,,,Jews are mean hate full POS...jews are killing people for nothing.....Jews are steeling our land.....jews are the new germany......Hilter dont have shit.....on the Jews.....My people are dying because the Jews are lying..to the world....the Jews are using white phosphours.......the Jews are targeting schools, hospitals,,,,,and innocent people walking down the street....Jews have no reason to do this......

Palastinian to include Hamsa...are good...and peace full people.....



Let not forget........the sorry ass American are giving all the money to the Jews so they can do this....and the UN is standing by while all this is happening.....God I feel like shit....

who is that in the pics? dumb ass burned him self up !!!

[*RAGE*]

who is that in the pics? dumb ass burned him self up !!!

Maybe gods way of say hey dumb ass...dont play with fire...

[amcon]

Maybe gods way of say hey dumb ass...dont play with fire...

well, my mom raised me not too !!! so i dont go around burning flags of countries that can kick my butt... know what i mean???

[*RAGE*]

well, my mom raised me not too !!! so i dont go around burning flags of countries that can kick my butt... know what i mean???

I sure do bro....and if I was getting my ass kicked I would not come to a steroid site and cry about it.....

[BuffedGuy]

I noticed you can make other post here...keep that side of you up because this is getting old...Jews suck,,,,Jews are mean hate full POS...jews are killing people for nothing.....Jews are steeling our land.....jews are the new germany......Hilter dont have shit.....on the Jews.....My people are dying because the Jews are lying..to the world....the Jews are using white phosphours.......the Jews are targeting schools, hospitals,,,,,and innocent people walking down the street....Jews have no reason to do this......

Ummm...I've never said any of this. I guess this is your disingenuous attempt at labeling anyone who dares criticize Israel to be anti-Jewish, a very favorite tactic of Zionists used to stifle criticism. Since you cannot prevail in a debate of words, you must resort to strawman arguments. Bravo!

who is that in the pics? dumb ass burned him self up !!!

The picture looks incredibly fake...photoshopped. You can tell by the way the person holding the flag looks, and in the first pic why is his hand already in the fire!? The second picture looks ok, but there's suddenly no flag in it.

In any case, what does this have anything to do with anything?

they cant feed their people but they can bribe people? or do they just have big wallets?

CAIRO – Hamas negotiators left Egypt without a long-term cease-fire with Israel on Thursday — but not before some members of the militant group's delegation were stopped at the Gaza border carrying millions in cash.

The delegation walked away from the cease-fire talks because of disagreements over the blockage on Gaza and border security. Talks will continue at a later date.


look im not hating just bringing to light what is going on...

As a general rule, whenever a person has to always preface whatever he says with "I'm not hating" or "I don't mean to be racist, but..." then usually whatever he says after that (or before that in this case) is usually almost always exactly that. Just saying you're not being a thing doesn't mean you are not being that thing! It's not simply a matter of saying it! For example, I've seen "I don't mean to offend..." followed up almost always with offensive words. Nobody uses that phraseology for anything else other than offending someone.

As for what you wrote, where did you get the idea that Hamas was bribing anyone? I didn't get that from the copy and paste you gave. In fact, I looked up the article and nothing of the sort was stated, so it seems to be your imagination again.

Furthermore, the fact that Hamas leaders had millions of dollars doesn't prove squat. As the article itself said, the United States has applied pressure to prevent any bank from lending money directly to Hamas. Therefore, the government can only stay afloat by money which is given indirectly, i.e. cold-hard cash. This is because America has frozen Hamas's bank accounts, and made sure that not even Arab banks can transfer money to them. It is yet another tactic by America to increase the imbalance between Israel and Palestine, giving the former not only billions of dollars but even preventing the latter from getting *any* money from *anyone.*

this has come up before in these threads:

i now better understand why this is done and i agree with it... i wouldnt want terrorists able to move freely around in our country as well(hamas):

Of course you better understand the issue, since *any* explanation given to you--that bashes Palestinians or Muslims--is a great proof for you!

Hamas demands that any truce include the full opening of borders into Gaza, which Israel and Egypt have largely kept sealed since Hamas seized control of the territory from Palestinian rivals Fatah in 2007. Hamas also wants a role in administering the border crossings in recognition of its power in Gaza.

so what was Nasr's reply to this?

Nasr said smuggling would only stop if the borders were open.

of coarse it would stop!!!! they would just truck it in!!!! then stock pile amo against every one else.... THEY ARE TERRORISTS

First off, before the late 1980s, there was no such thing as Hamas. For decades, the Palestinians were led by the PLO, which calls for a secular and democratic state. And yet we find that the Palestinian borders were closed off by Israel back then as well. In fact, you can go back as far as you want, and Israel has been closing off borders. So this idea that Israel closed off the borders because of Hamas's terrorist activities is a case of placing the carriage before the horse: it is anachronistic.

Second off, on numerous occasions, you have defended Israel's "right to defend herself." You are also OK with America giving billions of dollars in military aid, weapons transfers, etc. So why is it--according to you--OK for Israel to harm herself, but not the Palestinian people? If and when the Palestinian state is created finally, she should have the exact same rights to arm herself as Israel.

well, my mom raised me not too !!! so i dont go around burning flags of countries that can kick my butt... know what i mean???

So your mom raised you such that you treat people who can harm you in a different way than people who you can harm? In other words, your great moral compass tells you that it is OK form someone to burn a flag, so long as it is the flag of a weaker country, like say the Palestinian flag, the Iraqi flag, etc. But--according to you--your mom raised you with enough values to know that it's ok to do all that, but just don't burn the flag of powerful countries like America, or Israel, etc. Did I understand that correctly?

Did your mom also raise you in such a way to justify people who urinate on Qurans and flush them down the toilet? Do you have such an emotional reaction to that as you do over someone burning the American flag?

I sure do bro....and if I was getting my ass kicked I would not come to a steroid site and cry about it.....

May God give me the strength to restrain my tongue from retaliating. Peace be unto you!

[amcon]

I noticed you can make other post here...keep that side of you up because this is getting old...Jews suck,,,,Jews are mean hate full POS...jews are killing people for nothing.....Jews are steeling our land.....jews are the new germany......Hilter dont have shit.....on the Jews.....My people are dying because the Jews are lying..to the world....the Jews are using white phosphours.......the Jews are targeting schools, hospitals,,,,,and innocent people walking down the street....Jews have no reason to do this......

Palastinian to include Hamsa...are good...and peace full people.....



Let not forget........the sorry ass American are giving all the money to the Jews so they can do this....and the UN is standing by while all this is happening.....God I feel like shit....

if this is a photo shopped pic (i believe it is real) it i a fair representation of what happens around the world in regaurds to the usa - yet we are the first to be called for help

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

terrorist need to die

[BuffedGuy]

Peace be unto you, Amcon.

the other comments are where we differ, i dont believe one side is worse than the other... both are wrong

Would you say that in the conflict in the 1800s between American settlers and the Native Americans that "both sides were equally wrong"? Or would you--like most reasonable people--agree that a greater share of the blame is on the colonial force?

however the emotions are running high... i will carify

I agree that the emotions are running high, and I apologize to you and Prone2Rage for my contribution to that. Let's all breath deeply and discuss calmly, God-Willing. Thank you Amcon for taking the lead in that.

- if any country was superessing me and my country (canada supressing costa rica for example) i wouldnt throw gas on the fire by burnging canada's flag...

I do not believe in flag burning myself. I think that Denmark has a nice law with regards to this: Danish law allows their people to burn the Danish flag, but forbid the burning of any other country's flag. If I was the leader of a country--and if it were in my power--I would forbid the burning of flags, especially if the flag had any religious symbols on it, such as the Israeli flag which has the star of David on it.

Nonetheless, the fact that I disagree with flag burning does not mean that I agree with anyone who automatically assumes that the guy in the picture must be a terrorist.

But I think the one thing that was very lacking in your post--despite the fact that you were trying to clarify your position--was your complete avoidance of the topic of American soldiers urinating on Qurans and flushing them down the toilet. Your silence on this issue really speaks to your bias.

smuggle money

"Smuggling money" is just one way of wording it. The Palestinian money has been stolen by the American government (that is exactly what "freezing accounts" and "pressuring other banks not to lend" to them amounts to), and so they are simply bringing in money that is rightfully theirs. It's only "smuggling" because the oppressor forbids it.

As for your opposition to this, do you also oppose Israel when they smuggle weapons and military equipment into their country:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-19664919.html

Do you also oppose America and Israel smuggling weapons as they did in the Iran-Contra Affair? Why all these double standards?

Do you oppose Israel sending spies to various countries of the world, including America?

allow terriorists to run my country,

If you are going to paint such broad strokes, then one could easily--based on that logic--say that Israel is run by terrorists. Many of the prime ministers of Israel were a part of or connected to Zionist terrorist groups such as Haganah, Stern Gang, Lehi, etc. The IDF was itself a terrorist organization--called the Haganah. So your rhetoric that "Palestine is run by terrorists" is a double-standard of the worst nature.

as for a bribe - that would be an educated guess - not far off base im sure

It doesn't even make sense. They received money from unnamed sources, which they were taking back to run their land. I don't see what bribery has anything to do with anything. But I think you will just continue to say things without proof as you usually do.

if this is a photo shopped pic (i believe it is real) it i a fair representation of what happens around the world in regaurds to the usa - yet we are the first to be called for help

I think the more intelligent question would be to ask: why are American flags being burned the world over?

[amcon]

Peace be unto you, Amcon.



Would you say that in the conflict in the 1800s between American settlers and the Native Americans that "both sides were equally wrong"? Or would you--like most reasonable people--agree that a greater share of the blame is on the colonial force? horrible that it happened... now what i will say is not liked by many people but i do believe it is one way that it was allowed by God(and for every one who may argue that they dont like a God that would allow this... get saved go to heaven and bring it up with him - what i will say is not in the bible) the establishment of usa was by God fearing christians - wanting to leave the mother country for many reasons FAITH being one of them, opportunity being another, freedom being another... the american indians were a heathenous people in need of salvation - man screwed it up and took advantage of them... i could go on and on about this - i live in the north east in a place that is central to many tribes even to this day they were put in bad places and treated less than fair - now they have been restored some land and made that land in to casinos, money drives the local tribes to use less than indian morles to live at this point. all my personal opinion.



I agree that the emotions are running high, and I apologize to you and Prone2Rage for my contribution to that. Let's all breath deeply and discuss calmly, God-Willing. Thank you Amcon for taking the lead in that.

speak softly and carry a big stick ... o wait we are on the internet - forget that last statement - lol

agreed

I do not believe in flag burning myself. I think that Denmark has a nice law with regards to this: Danish law allows their people to burn the Danish flag, but forbid the burning of any other country's flag. If I was the leader of a country--and if it were in my power--I would forbid the burning of flags, especially if the flag had any religious symbols on it, such as the Israeli flag which has the star of David on it.

agreed

Nonetheless, the fact that I disagree with flag burning does not mean that I agree with anyone who automatically assumes that the guy in the picture must be a terrorist.

i acutally dont believe he is a professional terrorist - he is acting like one - i believe he probably had the day off from work and got into the mob mentality, and was punished for his actions

But I think the one thing that was very lacking in your post--despite the fact that you were trying to clarify your position--was your complete avoidance of the topic of American soldiers urinating on Qurans and flushing them down the toilet. Your silence on this issue really speaks to your bias.

true!!! that is very disrespectfull from soldiers from a country that was made to worship any way they want - true freedom... can you post a video of this or a pic - just to prove it - it is hard to believe

"Smuggle money" is just one way of wording it. The Palestinian money has been stolen by the American government (that is exactly what "freezes accounts" amounts to), and so they are simply bringing in money that is rightfully theirs. It's only "smuggling" because the oppressor forbids it.

they smuggled the wrong things for you to make that a valid argument... if they were smuggling food that would be dif. they are smuggling weapons... it maybe their money, but that would be like you and me getting mad that the dea or cops take our gear cause weather we like it or not it is not legal w use or posses it... weather they take our cash slotted for the gear or the actual gear.

As for your opposition to this, do you also oppose Israel when they smuggle weapons and military equipment into their country:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-19664919.html

Do you also oppose America and Israel smuggling weapons as they did in the Iran-Contra Affair? Why all these double standards?

i would have to take a look at this not just at a glance to understand and comment with a better educated point. i believe that hamas is wrong for smuggling weapons in to gaza to shoot at istael under the idea of suppression of the people living in gaza. then come put and say the people of gaza are starving and need basic supplies - that is the whole reason why they will not get what they are looking for, they can not use force to ask for help, if they do they will get slapped and innocent people die

Do you oppose Israel sending spies to various countries of the world, including America?

no, i do not oppose this... i ran the country i would do more of the spy thing


Israel is run by terrorists. Many of the prime ministers of Israel were a part of or connected to Jewish terrorist groups such as Haganah, Stern Gang, Lehi, etc. The IDF was itself a terrorist organization--called the Haganah. So your rhetoric that "Palestine is run by terrorists" is a double-standard of the worst nature.



It doesn't even make sense. They received money from unnamed sources, which they were taking back to run their land. I don't see where bribery has anything to do with anything. But I think you will just continue to say things without proof as you usually do.
PLACE NOW - INSANITY

it is a know fact much of that money comes from the usa and paleistines that are sympethic to the cause... i have personally seen this - and i have personally been told from people locally that they have sent hundreds of thousands of dollars to the middle east to support their belifs (the gentelman was actually from yamen - and was arrested for donations to the us bombing there)

i knew the lackawana (yes a very good indian name) six... al-quada spies that were implanted in the the usa to assimilate and then spread terror... they were a very respectful, clean, loyal to their religion(for lack of a better term) however, that was their goal. the street they lived on was very scarry how they had it set up!!!



I think the more intelligent question would be to ask: why are American flags being burned the world over?[/QUOTE]

because of hatred

[NightWolf]

Buffed, why is it that when someone
does not agree with your opinon on
the palis, they have to be: a zionist, bigot or racist?
Why cant you just accept the fact that Hamas
are a piece of shit terrorist group? Dont belive me?
go watch one of the many videos i posted
were they wanted to kill all of Europe and America.

Also notice that when something is presented
against hamas, buff often says "i think this is fake"
or "even if this is true".

Hey buff, why dont you post any news about
all the christians that are getting slayed by muslims
in iraq? Ya the shiates muslims are on a killing rampage
over there. No im not talking about the US soldiers,
im talking about the christian iraqi citizens.
Well i guess since they are muslims its OK for
them to kill innocent people.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Buffed, why is it that when someone
does not agree with your opinon on
the palis, they have to be: a zionist, bigot or racist?
Why cant you just accept the fact that Hamas
are a piece of shit terrorist group? Dont belive me?
go watch one of the many videos i posted
were they wanted to kill all of Europe and America.

Also notice that when something is presented
against hamas, buff often says "i think this is fake"
or "even if this is true".

Hey buff, why dont you post any news about
all the christians that are getting slayed by muslims
in iraq? Ya the shiates muslims are on a killing rampage
over there. No im not talking about the US soldiers,
im talking about the christian iraqi citizens.
Well i guess since they are muslims its OK for
them to kill innocent people.

lol. Thank you!


death to hamas! and their terrorist babies

but keep the women alive and send them my way

[BuffedGuy]

Peace be unto you, NightWolf.

Buffed, why is it that when someone
does not agree with your opinon on
the palis, they have to be: a zionist, bigot or racist?

It is not whenever anyone disagrees with me. Rather, the vast majority of people on this forum are open-minded and neutral people. There are, however, a handful of people here--the number of which I could count on my fingers--who are bigots. After interacting a lot with people on such topics, I can easily identify these types. Interestingly enough, the ones on this forum are obsessed with me, my posts, and my threads! Whenever I click on my "Ask a Muslim" thread, guess whose reading it? His name starts with N and ends with F. As brother Chariff told me, it burns up people like you that a Muslim can talk in cogent sentences and refutes all your arguments. It's burning you up inside; just admit it. You're stewing.

Why cant you just accept the fact that Hamas
are a piece of shit terrorist group? Dont belive me?
go watch one of the many videos i posted
were they wanted to kill all of Europe and America.

I've already responded to this. As for my view on Hamas, I've already clarified that plenty of times: I am 100% opposed to their tactics, condemn that, and call them to abandon such tactics.

There have been Non-Muslims on this forum who have condemned Hamas, but I didn't mind at all because they also condemned Israel. This showed their balance and fairness, as opposed to bigotry and double-standards, which seems to be your modus operandi. So it's not that you condemn Hamas which bothers me; that doesn't bother me in the least. What bothers me is your silence about Israel. The entire problem in this world today is that people are defining the debate using huge double standards. I want to bring that wall down, and bring fairness in debate--and the same standards for all. If one thing is wrong for Muslims, it is wrong for Non-Muslims, and vice/versa.

Hey buff, why dont you post any news about
all the christians that are getting slayed by muslims
in iraq? Ya the shiates muslims are on a killing rampage
over there. No im not talking about the US soldiers,
im talking about the christian iraqi citizens.
Well i guess since they are muslims its OK for
them to kill innocent people.

Killing non-combatant Christians is absolutely forbidden in my religion, and what is going on in Iraq against Christian citizens is atrocious. It is a grave violation of Islamic Law and flouts morality. In regards to why I haven't brought it up on this forum, it is simply because the criticisms I have of Muslims I give to Muslims on Islamic forums. I am often posting such articles, exposing extremists. The Shia death squads and Al-Qaeda groups are extremists that need to be refuted, humiliated, and exposed for what they are. These groups in Iraq are real, the problem is real, and it cannot be whitewashed or brushed under the carpet. I am not from those who would do that.

In any case, I've only posted on Palestine in the news section, simply because that is the hot topic in the news nowadays due to the invasion of Gaza. It is not like I am creating threads left and right about Muslim suffering in various parts of the world that you could say "well, why don't you ever talk about Christian suffering?" The fact is that I've only ever posted a thread about Palestine/Gaza, and that only because the Gaza invasion was front page news nowadays.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

[NightWolf]

Peace be unto you, NightWolf.


It is not whenever anyone disagrees with me. Rather, the vast majority of people on this forum are open-minded and neutral people. There are, however, a handful of people here--the number of which I could count on my fingers--who are bigots. After interacting a lot with people on such topics, I can easily identify these types. Interestingly enough, the ones on this forum are obsessed with me, my posts, and my threads! Whenever I click on my "Ask a Muslim" thread, guess whose reading it? His name starts with N and ends with F. As brother Chariff told me, it burns up people like you that a Muslim can talk in cogent sentences and refutes all your arguments. It's burning you up inside; just admit it. You're stewing..

Dont flatter yourself, im not in any way
intrested in you or your threads, and still yet you
have NOT refuted anything from me.

You are indeed a muslim rasict and a lier.
You go around here and spread lies,
and often you end your replys by saying
"i hope i did not offend any xxxxxx"
Because thats just what you do,
you insult and offend but you do it
in a smart way because you are good with words.

I've already responded to this. As for my view on Hamas, I've already clarified that plenty of times: I am 100% opposed to their tactics, condemn that, and call them to abandon such tactics.

This is all LIES, you have NOT 100% opposed their tactics,
you have NEVER posted a thread against hamas, rather when
someone has posted something agsint them (hamas) you are
the first one to reply and defend them, this is FACT.
Oh and lets not talk about all the anti israel threads
you have started. So stop the BS.

Killing non-combatant Christians is absolutely forbidden in my religion, and what is going on in Iraq against Christian citizens is atrocious. It is a grave violation of Islamic Law and flouts morality. In regards to why I haven't brought it up on this forum, it is simply because the criticisms I have of Muslims I give to Muslims on Islamic forums. I am often posting such articles, exposing extremists. The Shia death squads and Al-Qaeda groups are extremists that need to be refuted, humiliated, and exposed for what they are. These groups in Iraq are real, the problem is real, and it cannot be whitewashed or brushed under the carpet. I am not from those who would do that.

Here we go again
Ya i have heard your BS about
the forbidden part, Still does not change
the fact that YOUR people are on a killing spree
on christians. So maybe you understand that
i dont have much empathy for such low life scums.

[BuffedGuy]

Dont flatter yourself, im not in any way
intrested in you or your threads,

Then why do you read it so much? When I open my thread, it often shows your name at the bottom.

and often you end your replys by saying
"i hope i did not offend any xxxxxx"
Because thats just what you do,
you insult and offend but you do it
in a smart way because you are good with words.

Listen, you raise a good point here. If you think I have said something offensive, then please let me know what it is, why it offended you, and then we can discuss it. For example, Derek did that once, and I didn't mind at all; it gave me a chance to clarify my stance on the issue. So again, if I say something offensive, let me know, God-Willing. It's important for us all to respect each others' sensitivities. It may be that I say something which offends you, and I should be cautious of that.

This is all LIES, you have NOT 100% opposed their tactics,
you have NEVER posted a thread against hamas,

Please read my posts in the Ask a Muslim thread in which I have posted a refutation of their tactics. I have also posted in other threads how their logic in lobbing rockets at Israel is incorrect. Like I said, I spend time refuting extremists, just like I refute Zionists, Orientalists, etc. Since there are no Muslim extremists that I know of on this forum, I do not know what benefit opening up threads refuting them would do. However, I *have* posted refutations of them in my thread.

rather when
someone has posted something agsint them (hamas) you are
the first one to reply and defend them, this is FACT.

I try my utmost to speak the truth. If I fail, then the fault is mine; if I succeed, then all praise is due to God alone.

Oh and lets not talk about all the anti israel threads
you have started. So stop the BS.

I don't think I ever denied that I opened up threads against Israel. Like I told you, I've only ever opened up threads in the news section about one topic, which is Palestine.

Here we go again
Ya i have heard your BS about
the forbidden part, Still does not change
the fact that YOUR people are on a killing spree
on christians. So maybe you understand that
i dont have much empathy for such low life scums[/B].

You see, I don't adhere to your type of mentality, which is unfortunately the way that both groups--the ardent Zionists/Neo-Cons and the extremist Muslims--think. Reducing this all down to two teams--"Oh look what your team just did!"--is a dangerous thing. Rather, we need to understand that neither Christiandom nor the Islamic world is homogeneous. Let us judge people by the works their own two hands do wright, not what may be done by their co-religionists wherever they may be on this earth.

I have no problem with you thinking that the Iranian-backed Shi'ite militia death squads or the Al-Qaeda extremists are scum-bags. I also think this. I just ask you to be fair and judge all people based on the same standard.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

[NightWolf]

Then why do you read it so much? When I open my thread, it often shows your name at the bottom.

I am not saying that i have never
checked on your thread, but not many times
and far from much.

Something that bothers me with your thread
is that your very often speak about christians
and not as an opinon but as a fact, you
have yourself said that you dont know to much
about christianity, so then why not try to spread
your lies without draging christians into it?

Please read my posts in the Ask a Muslim thread in which I have posted a refutation of their tactics. I have also posted in other threads how their logic in lobbing rockets at Israel is incorrect. Like I said, I spend time refuting extremists, just like I refute Zionists, Orientalists, etc. Since there are no Muslim extremists that I know of on this forum, I do not know what benefit opening up threads refuting them would do. However, I *have* posted refutations of them in my thread.

Sure you have said that you dont agree with some of
hamas ways of doing things BUT in the same time and
on the same object you still have defended them
AND brought up something about the israels.

I try my utmost to speak the truth. If I fail, then the fault is mine; if I succeed, then all praise is due to God alone.

Sure you do, the one sided truth

I don't think I ever denied that I opened up threads against Israel.

I never said you denied, i said that you still have not
opened one about hamas, when there is soooo many
to choose from. You saying in your thread that you
whould like hamas to change some of their tactics does
not count as a thread "against" hamas.

You see, I don't adhere to your type of mentality, which is unfortunately the way that both groups--the ardent Zionists/Neo-Cons and the extremist Muslims--think. Reducing this all down to two teams--"Oh look what your team just did!"--is a dangerous thing. Rather, we need to understand that neither Christiandom nor the Islamic world is homogeneous. Let us judge people by the works their own two hands do wright, not what may be done by their co-religionists wherever they may be on this earth.

Just read your last reply and decided to delte this.