Anyone else feel like a revolution is on the way?

[J-Dogg]

Oh, wanted to say this of the customers this week.

1 owns a home on a lake. He has the house listed for sale, and has it listed for 70k LESS than what he owes. If he gets his ASKING price, which you never do, he will still have to fork out 70k on that home. Would you take a 40pt hit on your credit score for 70-100k? Ya, me too.

Another owns a home and we had a really bad storm back in June 13th. It washed out his basement and the foundation walls are almost all collapsed. This is a newly remodeled home, new windows, roof, siding, electric, plumbing, a really nice home. Since it was ground water that caused the damage, not a plumbing problem, insurance won't cover the work. He had the home listed to sell also. If he sold the house, he'd come out 20k ahead. Between excavating jacking up the house, pouring new walls, repairing the drywall and paint from the house shifting, he's probably looking at close to 50k in work. let the bank have it, and save 30k. Or try to pull 50k our of your ass because you can't get equity out of a house that does not have a foundation.

[spywizard]

buy gold and guns...

spam has a indefinite shelf life.

[MASTER]

I feel like gas is on the way. Too much protein again? Probably

[J-Dogg]

buy gold and guns...

spam has a indefinite shelf life.

I have a feeling a lot of gold has been bought up.

Seem to be hearing/seeing lots of people wanting to buy your old jewelry for cash!

[AandF6969]

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

[JiGGaMaN]

I have a feeling a lot of gold has been bought up.

Seem to be hearing/seeing lots of people wanting to buy your old jewelry for cash!

i have some im selling. people are bidding almost $1k US now per ounce...

[T_Own]

Oh, wanted to say this of the customers this week.

1 owns a home on a lake. He has the house listed for sale, and has it listed for 70k LESS than what he owes. If he gets his ASKING price, which you never do, he will still have to fork out 70k on that home. Would you take a 40pt hit on your credit score for 70-100k? Ya, me too.

Another owns a home and we had a really bad storm back in June 13th. It washed out his basement and the foundation walls are almost all collapsed. This is a newly remodeled home, new windows, roof, siding, electric, plumbing, a really nice home. Since it was ground water that caused the damage, not a plumbing problem, insurance won't cover the work. He had the home listed to sell also. If he sold the house, he'd come out 20k ahead. Between excavating jacking up the house, pouring new walls, repairing the drywall and paint from the house shifting, he's probably looking at close to 50k in work. let the bank have it, and save 30k. Or try to pull 50k our of your ass because you can't get equity out of a house that does not have a foundation.

if you live anywhere near places notorious for storms, wouldn't you buy insurance for it?

1k/oz for gold isn't bad but still no where near what it was bought for, unless someone has been hoarding it for like 25 years

[Z-Ro]

IMHO we need a strong National Socialist party to emerge within the US sans the racists doctrines of the former infamous NSDAP. Production was at an all-time high, national pride was strong, foreign policy was aggressive and henceforth the economic benefits were outstanding.

But then again we're a Democracy. =(

No doubt, nationalism was a powerful force. I think that the idea of belonging to something bigger than yourself forged states like Germany/Russia ahead. Obviously they lost out in WWI, WWII, Cold War (RUSSIA) but damn did they fly foward quickly.

Yes, Russia was communist but Stalin harnessed the whole "let's do this one for Mother Russia" nationalism to motivate people, as well as shooting at them.

lol--well not funny but true.

[Panzerfaust80]

No doubt, nationalism was a powerful force. I think that the idea of belonging to something bigger than yourself forged states like Germany/Russia ahead. Obviously they lost out in WWI, WWII, Cold War (RUSSIA) but damn did they fly foward quickly.

Yes, Russia was communist but Stalin harnessed the whole "let's do this one for Mother Russia" nationalism to motivate people, as well as shooting at them.

lol--well not funny but true.

Interesting thought. My views are alarmingly similar. Individualism breeds anarchy. and Boredom is the devils playground.. =)

I feel strongly we definately need a more centralized unified nationalistic movement... socialist or not, we should keep a strong free market system with a more aggressive foreign policy.. now with obama in im sure well soon absolve into the UN and become a part of some radical left coalition and loose our coveted sovereignty. Soon our government will nationalize corporations, and in time we will be converted into a orwellian state.

Also, our politicians are seeing to it that our dollar will soon be worthless.

[oneshot]

basically... we're all fvcked. the government will continue to rape us every way they can, and nobody will have the balls to stand up, let alone try organize some sore of revolution.

[higherdesire]

And that is the unfortunate truth of humanity. However, while absolute Anarchy is a long, if not unreachable, ways away, we could perhaps begin by taking baby steps towards better living conditions. Beginning with the credit industries fueling consumerism making us spend our lives seeking more and more possessions while acquiring more and more debt. I don't know what is the best way to regulate the lending industry in order to prevent corruption and exploitation, as I am not an economist, nor a political scientist, but I do know that we, as a public, are responsible for some of those destructive actions that are causing our economy to be in the shape it is in now, and in turn, allowing the big banks to take advantage of us.

I, for example, have been on a mission to rid myself of all/most possessions, and therefore, not be enslaved to things I own. That means no debt also. At which point, I'll be free to pursue a life that will include improving myself physically, and mentally, without worrying about how expensive my car is, and how big my house is. Only then will I realize the true potential of my capabalities as an individual.

Nice to see someone in touch with their limitations. Hopefully as you mature you will be able to live a life that appreciates the wealth of body mind and soul without feeling the need to punish yourself through abstinence of luxury. Best of luck to you my young friend.
The deprivation doctrines have long held the potential of its believers captive, however I submit to you that it is not a choice whereby one is laid to rest in favor of the other, but rather the coexistance of material wealth can be readily had along with peace and prosperity of body mind and soul.

[T_Own]

Interesting thought. My views are alarmingly similar. Individualism breeds anarchy. and Boredom is the devils playground.. =)

I feel strongly we definately need a more centralized unified nationalistic movement... socialist or not, we should keep a strong free market system with a more aggressive foreign policy.. now with obama in im sure well soon absolve into the UN and become a part of some radical left coalition and loose our coveted sovereignty. Soon our government will nationalize corporations, and in time we will be converted into a orwellian state.

Also, our politicians are seeing to it that our dollar will soon be worthless.

lol thats very ironic because this morning when i couldn't sleep, out of no where i was thinking about what would happen if they gave everyone $1b. random thought, but with all the stimulus stuff, they could give out a lot of money and still be spending what they are now (~2 trillion across 250 million americans)

[Panzerfaust80]

lol thats very ironic because this morning when i couldn't sleep, out of no where i was thinking about what would happen if they gave everyone $1b. random thought, but with all the stimulus stuff, they could give out a lot of money and still be spending what they are now (~2 trillion across 250 million americans)

Good point. Instead of giving billions to fat-cat CEO's and big-business, why not give each *TAX PAYING* American $25,000, or $50,000 EACH??? That money would soon then be back in circulation eventually, thus stimulating the F*&K out of the economy... It's the ol' boy network of corrupt radical left-wing socialists that are to blame for this mess... BARNEY FRANK, CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMISSION??? BARNEY FRANK?? This man is one of the most despicable men in existence. AND HES ONE OF THE CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS!! ... may he be wiped clean from this earth and any other trace of his seed.... oh hes gay nevermind about the seed part.. =) ... and that wacko pelosi from california... god help us.

sorry for the rant.

[higherdesire]

Good point. Instead of giving billions to fat-cat CEO's and big-business, why not give each *TAX PAYING* American $25,000, or $50,000 EACH??? That money would soon then be back in circulation eventually, thus stimulating the F*&K out of the economy... It's the ol' boy network of corrupt radical left-wing socialists that are to blame for this mess... BARNEY FRANK, CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMISSION??? BARNEY FRANK?? This man is one of the most despicable men in existence. AND HES ONE OF THE CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS!! ... may he be wiped clean from this earth and any other trace of his seed.... oh hes gay nevermind about the seed part.. =) ... and that wacko pelosi from california... god help us.

sorry for the rant.

I really think it would help more than what we are doing too. YOu guys have my vote.

[NewMuscle83]

the problem with giving people money to spend, is it will entice everyone to go out and buy buy buy, which would in turn stimulate inflation, and raising price of goods and services beyond their reasonable worth. Once all the money is spent up, we're right back in recession. Basically the same cycle we're going through now that took 5 years so far, we'd go through in a much shorter period.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

We need to save

[NewMuscle83]

Nice to see someone in touch with their limitations. Hopefully as you mature you will be able to live a life that appreciates the wealth of body mind and soul without feeling the need to punish yourself through abstinence of luxury. Best of luck to you my young friend.
The deprivation doctrines have long held the potential of its believers captive, however I submit to you that it is not a choice whereby one is laid to rest in favor of the other, but rather the coexistance of material wealth can be readily had along with peace and prosperity of body mind and soul.

on the contrary, I believe I matured to realizing my needlessness for the luxuries of this life. I've actually been identified with communism and anarchy my whole life, and at one point, 2 years ago, I wanted to explore life while embracing those so called luxuries. In short, I own a very nice car that costs me $800 monthly between payment, and insurance, not to mention the gas cost on a high performance engine. I also own nice tvs, furniture, and all types of bullshit that I'm paying high monthly payments for. In order to afford my luxuries, i'm having to work 12 hours a day to make the income necessary to continue my life style. Therefore, leaving no time for the gym, family, read a book, or learn to play a musical instrument.

Was it my fault I'm this deep in debt? Absolutely. However, comparitavely, it's not much considering the price of luxury. The credit companies made real easy to qualify for financing, and consumerist society drove me to acquire more and more to be better than those around me. That is why I decided to go back to my old life of no luxury, which will free up time to work on my body and mind.

[Panzerfaust80]

the problem with giving people money to spend, is it will entice everyone to go out and buy buy buy, which would in turn stimulate inflation, and raising price of goods and services beyond their reasonable worth. Once all the money is spent up, we're right back in recession. Basically the same cycle we're going through now that took 5 years so far, we'd go through in a much shorter period.

..and you don't think a near-trillion dollar "ridiculous" package won't affect inflation? Government spending is out of control. A free market economy can't function correctly with government constantly printing worthless money to bail out big business. LET THEM ALL FAIL. Survival of the fittest, right?

congress = = We the People

Rise up, people!! The revolution has begun!!!!

[JiGGaMaN]

my 'revolution' of deca/tbol is on its way. 2-3 weeks max.

[J-Dogg]

if you live anywhere near places notorious for storms, wouldn't you buy insurance for it?

1k/oz for gold isn't bad but still no where near what it was bought for, unless someone has been hoarding it for like 25 years

It's VERY rare for that to happen in this area.

Want to know the funny part?

He owns a restoration company.

Some times you have to be smart enough to walk away though.

[higherdesire]

on the contrary, I believe I matured to realizing my needlessness for the luxuries of this life. I've actually been identified with communism and anarchy my whole life, and at one point, 2 years ago, I wanted to explore life while embracing those so called luxuries. In short, I own a very nice car that costs me $800 monthly between payment, and insurance, not to mention the gas cost on a high performance engine. I also own nice tvs, furniture, and all types of bullshit that I'm paying high monthly payments for. In order to afford my luxuries, i'm having to work 12 hours a day to make the income necessary to continue my life style. Therefore, leaving no time for the gym, family, read a book, or learn to play a musical instrument.

Was it my fault I'm this deep in debt? Absolutely. However, comparitavely, it's not much considering the price of luxury. The credit companies made real easy to qualify for financing, and consumerist society drove me to acquire more and more to be better than those around me. That is why I decided to go back to my old life of no luxury, which will free up time to work on my body and mind.

Understood. I do not condone debt as it is a method of living beyond ones means. I believe that you can save money to purchase the 'things' you want and not have debt AND keep the life style you strive for. The cycle you are in is a definate trap and I hate it for you. Failing to plan is planning to fail you know? What to do then? Implement a plan to get out of debt and then after the transition save for the things you want. I am living proof it can be done. THe reward form controlling your world is empowering in itself. Peace.

[NewMuscle83]

..and you don't think a near-trillion dollar "ridiculous" package won't affect inflation?

When did I say that? I only responded to the $50,000 per citizen proposal..which, by the way, would cost over $16.5 trillion. Considering our treasury has $1.378 trillion and we're already $10.7 trillion in debt..I'd say it's gonna be tough. In either case, any significant amount of money given to the public would surely result in inflation.

As for the aid funds the government is handing out, I'm 100% against it. That money is not nationalizing the industries, nor it is a allowing the worker to own a share of the production, or even a fair share of the profits...even though it's the workers tax money that pays for the funds. This money is simply going to already rich execs to take vacations and pay bonuses.

That being said, no, I don't think the aid money for the companies would cause inflation.

[NewMuscle83]

Understood. I do not condone debt as it is a method of living beyond ones means. I believe that you can save money to purchase the 'things' you want and not have debt AND keep the life style you strive for. The cycle you are in is a definate trap and I hate it for you. Failing to plan is planning to fail you know? What to do then? Implement a plan to get out of debt and then after the transition save for the things you want. I am living proof it can be done. THe reward form controlling your world is empowering in itself. Peace.

That's more of the lifestyle I want to have. I'm obviously going to need a car once I get rid of this one, at which point hopefully I will pay for in cash, since I'm not going to need a luxury automobile, just one that practical and reliable.

Same with everything else, while still making sure I don't overspend or over-consume anything besides chicken breast.

[Nooomoto]

None of this shit matters. When they turn on the Hadron Collider this summer we're all fked anyway. And if that doesn't get us, certainly Nostradamus' prediction of the end of days in 2012 will.

[higherdesire]

Nos blew it when Cali did't fall off in the ocean! I am anxious to see the results and capabilities of the collider though.

[Kratos]

None of this shit matters. When they turn on the Hadron Collider this summer we're all fked anyway. And if that doesn't get us, certainly Nostradamus' prediction of the end of days in 2012 will.

why? they already turned it on, on sept 10 2008. It's being repaired. Nostradamus was a nosense blabbering idiot.

To show how much you know, that's the end of the Mayan Calander.

Nostradamus predicted King of Terror descending from the skies in July 1999. A sort of psudo end of the world. He says the world doesn't end until like the year 3800 or somewhere around there. Doesn't matter he's a fruit cake.

[Kratos]

Nos blew it when Cali did't fall off in the ocean! I am anxious to see the results and capabilities of the collider though.

his predictions are so vague, he can never be wrong in the eyes of his followers. Cause if he wrote his predictions literally he would have been burned at the stake. What? This fvcker never heard of a pen name? C'mon nos, give up the info. I knew a catholic priest who was all into this bull crappery.

[Nooomoto]

why? they already turned it on, on sept 10 2008. It's being repaired. Nostradamus was a nosense blabbering idiot.

To show how much you know, that's the end of the Mayan Calander.

Nostradamus predicted King of Terror descending from the skies in July 1999. A sort of psudo end of the world. He says the world doesn't end until like the year 3800 or somewhere around there. Doesn't matter he's a fruit cake.

Pfft..what a noob. You didn't even mention the giant volcano under Yellowstone that is going to kill all life on earth.

[Kratos]

Pfft..what a noob. You didn't even mention the giant volcano under Yellowstone that is going to kill all life on earth.

what about it? Yeah yeah, they think it might be a super volcano and blow so much ash up and start another ice age. Why is it worth mentioning as it pertains to this thread?

[Nooomoto]

To illustrate how retarded the content of this thread is.

[Kratos]

yellowstone has been stable for the last 30 years they've been studying it. They don't expect an erruption in the forseeable future 1000 years or more. I just can't imagine why you'd even bring that up. You should join a cult or something. The johovah witnesses like to predict the end of the world every few decades. You'd fit in well there I think.

[Nooomoto]

yellowstone has been stable for the last 30 years they've been studying it. They don't expect an erruption in the forseeable future 1000 years or more. I just can't imagine why you'd even bring that up. You should join a cult or something. The johovah witnesses like to predict the end of the world every few decades. You'd fit in well there I think.

Relax jefe, I was joking.

[Kratos]

To illustrate how retarded the content of this thread is.

oh, ok, you beat me to my last post
well I think the original topic is interesting and Marx is an important figure to study. It got way off track with peoples mis-interpretations.

[NewMuscle83]

oh, ok, you beat me to my last post
well I think the original topic is interesting and Marx is an important figure to study. It got way off track with peoples mis-interpretations.

I know man, seriously. I was simply quoting a excerpt from a book marx wrote over 140 years ago, that I believe holds very true today (well, all except the word "communism" which hasn't quite occured, yet). and now people are talking all types of crazy irrelavent shit downplaying the entire topic - something I don't feel the thread deserves.

[Panzerfaust80]

When did I say that? I only responded to the $50,000 per citizen proposal..which, by the way, would cost over $16.5 trillion. Considering our treasury has $1.378 trillion and we're already $10.7 trillion in debt..I'd say it's gonna be tough. In either case, any significant amount of money given to the public would surely result in inflation.

As for the aid funds the government is handing out, I'm 100% against it. That money is not nationalizing the industries, nor it is a allowing the worker to own a share of the production, or even a fair share of the profits...even though it's the workers tax money that pays for the funds. This money is simply going to already rich execs to take vacations and pay bonuses.

That being said, no, I don't think the aid money for the companies would cause inflation.

Sorry if I was unclear in my earlier post, but I was specifically referring to issuing a credit to tax-paying individuals only, not per citizen... and by pumping multi-billion dollar tax-payer funds into large corporations is undoubtedly paving the road towards full nationalization of corporation, because once of government absolves the majority of the corp. eventually the board of directors is rendered powerless and is simply reduced to a puppet-state, being controlled primarily by the govt commission by which the funds were drawn from.

which inevitably leads to a full socialist society. a path we are rapidly heading down now.

[Matt]

There is nothing better than a socialist society, communism comes a close second, you all know it and the sooner you all get on board the better life will be...

[Kratos]

Sorry if I was unclear in my earlier post, but I was specifically referring to issuing a credit to tax-paying individuals only, not per citizen... and by pumping multi-billion dollar tax-payer funds into large corporations is undoubtedly paving the road towards full nationalization of corporation, because once of government absolves the majority of the corp. eventually the board of directors is rendered powerless and is simply reduced to a puppet-state, being controlled primarily by the govt commission by which the funds were drawn from.

which inevitably leads to a full socialist society. a path we are rapidly heading down now.

Good post, Marx warned this would happen under our form of gvmt. He warned the people would demand it. It's all part of the eminant socialst revoloution built into democracy. Clearly we are witnessing proof of his concept.

[Panzerfaust80]

IMHO opinion what we need is NATIONALIZED socialism, with a free-market based economy.. Nationalize all infrastructure production, encourage small business and individual ownership while COMPLETELY ELIMINATING outsourcing and levy larger taxes on all the multi-national corporations. Bring all foreign and out-sourced jobs back home, raising employment to near-maximum levels and create new national-sponsored domestic civil work programs for infrastructure improvement. All the while implementing aggressive foreign policy, such as levy massive war oil reparations from Iraq to pay back some of the $20 billion a month spent on that labored, yet effective, war effort. (very important to establish a pan-American foothold in the middle east for obvious reasons)

just my 2 cents.

[NewMuscle83]

. All the while implementing aggressive foreign policy, such as levy massive war oil reparations from Iraq to pay back some of the $20 billion a month spent on that labored, yet effective, war effort. (very important to establish a pan-American foothold in the middle east for obvious reasons)

So you're actually suggesting that expanding our imperialistic efforts to further exploit more countries is the way to bring america back to its glory days of prospering economics?

[*RAGE*]