I have read some good information here, but the BS with all the flames and direct attacks can stop.

You both seem like you have valid points and can express them quite well.

Please try to do this without all the name calling. It serves nothing to try and damage each other in a game of "no you suck".

Well with that said, thanks for the info that is useful. its how we humans learn, we debate and argue until we uncover points of view that changes ours.

ok so i over simplify, hehe and just think i didnt say FINA once in this reply.. oh damn ruined that hehe