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    Quote Originally Posted by amcon View Post
    o ya, that is the total truth!!! it God made the earth then science and God must fit perfectly... the video i posted (two hours) does a real good job of tieing the two togather... he does bash the present idea of science and creation dont fit...

    but that is exactly what i believe that science and God are one... just that alot of science is off base... the facts of science can be proven with a little explination from doc hovind.

    if you do get through all the video let me know if any of it make you think a little dif
    little bit about "doc" hovind

    http://www.religionnewsblog.com/1645...-on-all-counts

    from Wikipedia
    Hovind attended the non-accredited Midwestern Baptist College and received a Bachelor of Religious Education (B.R.E.).[6] In 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind was awarded a master's degree and doctorate in Christian Education through correspondence from the non-accredited Patriot University in Colorado Springs, Colorado (now Patriot Bible University in Del Norte, Colorado which no longer offers this program)
    He's not a real PhD

    According to the IRS, Hovind reportedly earned $50,000 a year through speaking engagements and, in 2002 alone, the ministry sold more than $1.8 million in merchandise.[33] Also, Hovind's theme park and merchandise sales earned more than $5 million USD from 1999 to March 2004.[34] On average, they say, Hovind "has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess of $1 million per year."[35] Eventually that grew to about $2 million a year.[36]. About half that income went to employees who were salaried or were paid hourly wages. However, Hovind derived "substantial revenue" from these activities that appeared to be "income to [him] personally."[37] Including DAL, Hovind also owned at least 10 properties.
    Wow, doing pretty good for a man of God.

    Hovind was charged on September 13, 2002, for failure to observe county zoning regulations with respect to Dinosaur Adventure Land.[30] Despite arguments that the owners did not need a permit due to the nature of the building, the park was found in violation of local regulations.[119]

    In 1996 Hovind unsuccessfully filed for bankruptcy to avoid paying federal income taxes claiming he wasn't a citizen of the US and did not earn income.[130] Hovind was found to have lied about his possessions and income

    On May 13, 1998, Hovind and his wife attempted to evade responsibility for any promises, debts, or legal agreements made prior to April 15, 1998, by filing a document called "Power of Attorney and Revocation of Signature"[133] with the Escambia County Clerk of Courts. The document reads, in part: "I/we do hereby revoke and make void… all signatures on any instruments…". The Hovinds claimed they had signed government documents "due to the use of various elements of fraud and misrepresentations, duress, coercion, under perjury, mistake, 'bankruptcy'."[133]
    In the document, the Hovinds argue that Social Security is essentially a "Ponzi scheme."[133] The Hovinds referred to the United States Government as "the 'bankrupt' corporate government" and said they were renouncing their United States citizenship and Social Security numbers to become "a natural citizen of 'America' and a natural sojourner."[133] In 2002 Hovind was again delinquent in paying his taxes, and unsuccessfully sued the IRS for harassment.[

    In 2004, IRS agents raided Hovind's home and business to confiscate financial records.[135] IRS agent Scott Schneider said Hovind's businesses had neither business licenses nor tax-exempt status. The Associated Press quoted Schneider as saying "Since 1997, Hovind has engaged in financial transactions indicating sources of income and has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess of $1 million per year during some of these years

    as for his 2006 case which sent him to jail
    the judge noted that Hovind's defense was based on "bizarre arguments"
    hmmm bizarre arguments, he's good at those



    The only people making claims against evoloution are either self serving or extreme in their religious views. In "doc" hovind's case both. If evoloution were up for debate, wouldn't you see it questioned by scientists of all faiths or non-faiths for that mater. Not just questioned by evangelical Christian's with dodgy credentials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    little bit about "doc" hovind

    http://www.religionnewsblog.com/1645...-on-all-counts

    from Wikipedia
    Hovind attended the non-accredited Midwestern Baptist College and received a Bachelor of Religious Education (B.R.E.).[6] In 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind was awarded a master's degree and doctorate in Christian Education through correspondence from the non-accredited Patriot University in Colorado Springs, Colorado (now Patriot Bible University in Del Norte, Colorado which no longer offers this program)
    He's not a real PhD

    According to the IRS, Hovind reportedly earned $50,000 a year through speaking engagements and, in 2002 alone, the ministry sold more than $1.8 million in merchandise.[33] Also, Hovind's theme park and merchandise sales earned more than $5 million USD from 1999 to March 2004.[34] On average, they say, Hovind "has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess of $1 million per year."[35] Eventually that grew to about $2 million a year.[36]. About half that income went to employees who were salaried or were paid hourly wages. However, Hovind derived "substantial revenue" from these activities that appeared to be "income to [him] personally."[37] Including DAL, Hovind also owned at least 10 properties.
    Wow, doing pretty good for a man of God.

    Hovind was charged on September 13, 2002, for failure to observe county zoning regulations with respect to Dinosaur Adventure Land.[30] Despite arguments that the owners did not need a permit due to the nature of the building, the park was found in violation of local regulations.[119]

    In 1996 Hovind unsuccessfully filed for bankruptcy to avoid paying federal income taxes claiming he wasn't a citizen of the US and did not earn income.[130] Hovind was found to have lied about his possessions and income

    On May 13, 1998, Hovind and his wife attempted to evade responsibility for any promises, debts, or legal agreements made prior to April 15, 1998, by filing a document called "Power of Attorney and Revocation of Signature"[133] with the Escambia County Clerk of Courts. The document reads, in part: "I/we do hereby revoke and make void… all signatures on any instruments…". The Hovinds claimed they had signed government documents "due to the use of various elements of fraud and misrepresentations, duress, coercion, under perjury, mistake, 'bankruptcy'."[133]
    In the document, the Hovinds argue that Social Security is essentially a "Ponzi scheme."[133] The Hovinds referred to the United States Government as "the 'bankrupt' corporate government" and said they were renouncing their United States citizenship and Social Security numbers to become "a natural citizen of 'America' and a natural sojourner."[133] In 2002 Hovind was again delinquent in paying his taxes, and unsuccessfully sued the IRS for harassment.[

    In 2004, IRS agents raided Hovind's home and business to confiscate financial records.[135] IRS agent Scott Schneider said Hovind's businesses had neither business licenses nor tax-exempt status. The Associated Press quoted Schneider as saying "Since 1997, Hovind has engaged in financial transactions indicating sources of income and has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess of $1 million per year during some of these years

    as for his 2006 case which sent him to jail
    the judge noted that Hovind's defense was based on "bizarre arguments"
    hmmm bizarre arguments, he's good at those



    The only people making claims against evoloution are either self serving or extreme in their religious views. In "doc" hovind's case both. If evoloution were up for debate, wouldn't you see it questioned by scientists of all faiths or non-faiths for that mater. Not just questioned by evangelical Christian's with dodgy credentials.
    i could be in jail right now and giving good aas advise and be rock solid and right on... hovind is a person i wont defend - he is a man and like all of us a sinner... if you google his name you will see hundreds if not thousands of websites that try to discredit him... take him at his word and study what he says - dont look at him as you savour

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