i started using gear before my diet was in check and i got massive gains but i was still 20% bf. i used clen for month on week off for 3 months and i was not losing much fat. the reality of it is without cleaning up your diet and doing cardio you will keep throwing money away until you face reality. nothing works without proper diet and cardio. you can take all the fat loss aids you want but you will never see results unless you fix your diet and do cardio. without this clen will help you loose a pound or 2 by its self.