5th cycle, need advice.

[tbjake34]

#1..... i agree w/ fire guy.....

#2..... If your test runs to week 16 then your pct would begin week 18 not week 15

#3..... Your tbol would run to week 18 not week 20

I would keep the deca around 400-500/wk and put the test at 600 and get finasteride or 2% nizoral shampoo for the hair.

More importantly..... how is your blood work? have you had it done? You should really consider taking some time off and bulking naturally. I started cycling at 19 or so and now i wish i hadn't. I'm lucky in the respect that i havn't had problems from doing it..... but i took the last 3 years off from aas and i really learned a lot about my body. I weigh more now, naturally, than i did when i was on aas. It's just something to think about man......

~Haz~

First of all thanks for the advice. I plan on running the tbol threw PCT so I can keep most of my gains. I have considered going all natural but idk.. Also, how much fina?

[FireGuy]

First of all thanks for the advice. I plan on running the tbol threw PCT so I can keep most of my gains. I have considered going all natural but idk.. Also, how much fina?

OK, not to sidetrack you but....after 4 cycles you can NEVER go all natural. Sorry, but as a guy who competed completely natural for 15 years that kinda talk drives me nuts.

[Hazard]

OK, not to sidetrack you but....after 4 cycles you can NEVER go all natural. Sorry, but as a guy who competed completely natural for 15 years that kinda talk drives me nuts.

LOL just to clear up what i said to him...... i didn't mean to compete in the "all natural" class or that he can be considered "all natural" if he stopped taking aas..... i just meant that i myself have been training "naturally" for the past 3 years and off aas.... and i was encouraging him to do the same.....

~Haz~

[FireGuy]

LOL just to clear up what i said to him...... i didn't mean to compete in the "all natural" class or that he can be considered "all natural" if he stopped taking aas..... i just meant that i myself have been training "naturally" for the past 3 years and off aas.... and i was encouraging him to do the same.....

~Haz~

I wasnt referring to your advice, I copied his quote above the one I made.

[Immortal Soldier]

Plain and simple if you try to get your pro card there is no way you will ever be able to go back to being natural, you just won't be able to compete against other guys. If we are talking about IFBB, then you won't be able to compete against guys who will juice till they die basically. Not to mention you might be past your genetic limit or might not be so the gains you made with AAS (depending also on how much base you developed before you juice) will start to diminish and eventually go below genetic limit levels

[Hazard]

I wasnt referring to your advice, I copied his quote above the one I made.

Oh i know..... i didn't mean to make it sound like i was "snapping back" at you or anything..... i didn't want people to think his comment was because of what i said..... so i just wanted to clarify what i meant

~Haz~

[FireGuy]

Oh i know..... i didn't mean to make it sound like i was "snapping back" at you or anything..... i didn't want people to think his comment was because of what i said..... so i just wanted to clarify what i meant

~Haz~

No worries, I did not take it like that :-)

[Hazard]

No worries, I did not take it like that :-)

OK good..... wouldn't wanna piss you off..... might need some advice from you when i wanna look like you in your av

~Haz~