Protein shakes

[alpmaster]

I don't count protein from shakes or vegetable proteins in my daily amounts. Regardless of its bio-availability, they are low quality proteins that are absorbed in 30 mins (whey). The nitrogen spike is short.

The only time you should consume a shake is post workout because you need this spike from quick digesting (whey) protein. If you require 160g of protein a day, get 160g from foods (eggs, meat, and some dairy), and consume a shake post workout and/or in the morning, but don't count it in your daily totals... nothing can replace good old FOOD.

[xderekx]

i usually alternate meal, shake, meal, shake, etc...

*example

meal 1:
8 eggs (2 yolk) 1 cup of oatmeal

meal 2:
50g whey shake (2 tbsp natty pb)

meal 3:
2 grilled chicken breasts 1 sweet potato

meal 4:
50g whey shake (2 tbsp natty pb)

and so on....

[Phate]

depends on your goals, the phytonutrients are lacking in shakes as you mentioned, but shakes are also liquid and therefore have a lower thermodynamic value than whole foods

[gamemania]

depends on your goals, the phytonutrients are lacking in shakes as you mentioned, but shakes are also liquid and therefore have a lower thermodynamic value than whole foods

Does having a lower thermodynamic value make it a good or a bad thing? judging from the structure of ur statement, im thinking its a good thing...but just to make sure...

I guess my take home message though is that as long as im getting enough from food sources, its ok for me to keep taking protein shakes to give me the added amount i need. there is also an issue of gas, and digestional discomfort, which i must admit i suffer from, so i should probably think about taking one shake out of the equation.

I guess my main worry was if my copious amount of shake consumption was harmful to my body? i guess its just the digestional issue...


* please pardon my string of replies, i know its annoying, but im still getting used to "quote" and other clickable things on this forum...

[8iron]

Does having a lower thermodynamic value make it a good or a bad thing? judging from the structure of ur statement, im thinking its a good thing...but just to make sure...

I guess my take home message though is that as long as im getting enough from food sources, its ok for me to keep taking protein shakes to give me the added amount i need. there is also an issue of gas, and digestional discomfort, which i must admit i suffer from, so i should probably think about taking one shake out of the equation.

I guess my main worry was if my copious amount of shake consumption was harmful to my body? i guess its just the digestional issue...


* please pardon my string of replies, i know its annoying, but im still getting used to "quote" and other clickable things on this forum...

If u want to help with the digestion, i always had a spoonful of matamucil with my shake does the trick nd keep me flowing like clockwork!!!!

[Phate]

I dont know how else to put it other than that is a completely false statement. Also, I think most guys on this board hit 160 grams of protein before noon.

agreed as always^^^

Does having a lower thermodynamic value make it a good or a bad thing? judging from the structure of ur statement, im thinking its a good thing...but just to make sure...
whether it's a good or bad thing depends on goals, thermodynamic value is how much energy it takes the body to digest the food the the amount of heat released during digestion, whole food takes more energy to digest and produces more heat, thus, less calories from whole food can be stored as fat and the metabolism is boosted more
I guess my take home message though is that as long as im getting enough from food sources, its ok for me to keep taking protein shakes to give me the added amount i need. there is also an issue of gas, and digestional discomfort, which i must admit i suffer from, so i should probably think about taking one shake out of the equation.

I guess my main worry was if my copious amount of shake consumption was harmful to my body? i guess its just the digestional issue...
need more fibrous veges

* please pardon my string of replies, i know its annoying, but im still getting used to "quote" and other clickable things on this forum...

you should try multi quote(it's right beside quote)

[gamemania]

I don't count protein from shakes or vegetable proteins in my daily amounts. Regardless of its bio-availability, they are low quality proteins that are absorbed in 30 mins (whey). The nitrogen spike is short.

The only time you should consume a shake is post workout because you need this spike from quick digesting (whey) protein. If you require 160g of protein a day, get 160g from foods (eggs, meat, and some dairy), and consume a shake post workout and/or in the morning, but don't count it in your daily totals... nothing can replace good old FOOD.

Dude, thats pretty intense. How could you not count protein you get from shakes in ur daily allowance. The whole point of a protein supplement is to supplement your lack of consumption.

I can appreciate the part about vegetable proteins, and the importance of food, but surely u still count protein from protein shakes...they are made to be highly bioavailable (if thats the correct term)

[FireGuy]

I don't count protein from shakes or vegetable proteins in my daily amounts. Regardless of its bio-availability, they are low quality proteins that are absorbed in 30 mins (whey). The nitrogen spike is short.

The only time you should consume a shake is post workout because you need this spike from quick digesting (whey) protein. If you require 160g of protein a day, get 160g from foods (eggs, meat, and some dairy), and consume a shake post workout and/or in the morning, but don't count it in your daily totals... nothing can replace good old FOOD.

I dont know how else to put it other than that is a completely false statement. Also, I think most guys on this board hit 160 grams of protein before noon.

[PT]

I don't count protein from shakes or vegetable proteins in my daily amounts. Regardless of its bio-availability, they are low quality proteins that are absorbed in 30 mins (whey). The nitrogen spike is short.

The only time you should consume a shake is post workout because you need this spike from quick digesting (whey) protein. If you require 160g of protein a day, get 160g from foods (eggs, meat, and some dairy), and consume a shake post workout and/or in the morning, but don't count it in your daily totals... nothing can replace good old FOOD.

you got to be kidden me. i drink 3 shakes a day

[Phate]

I don't count protein from shakes or vegetable proteins in my daily amounts. Regardless of its bio-availability, they are low quality proteins that are absorbed in 30 mins (whey). The nitrogen spike is short.

The only time you should consume a shake is post workout because you need this spike from quick digesting (whey) protein. If you require 160g of protein a day, get 160g from foods (eggs, meat, and some dairy), and consume a shake post workout and/or in the morning, but don't count it in your daily totals... nothing can replace good old FOOD.

if you aren't count vegetable proteins because they are incomplete then you should start, just because something is an incomplete protein doesn't meal your body can't use it, so not counting these can lead to an out of proportion and hypercaloric diet

you are using an incorrect blanket statement to describe protein shakes by saying they are low quality and have a short nitrogen spike, this is dependant on the type of protein(casein, soy, concentrate, isolate, hydrolysate, egg, etc etc,), proteins nowadays are much better than there earlier counterparts and provide a high quality amino acid chart

[keithdolby]

if you aren't count vegetable proteins because they are incomplete then you should start, just because something is an incomplete protein doesn't meal your body can't use it, so not counting these can lead to an out of proportion and hypercaloric diet

you are using an incorrect blanket statement to describe protein shakes by saying they are low quality and have a short nitrogen spike, this is dependant on the type of protein(casein, soy, concentrate, isolate, hydrolysate, egg, etc etc,), proteins nowadays are much better than there earlier counterparts and provide a high quality amino acid chart

Do you think rice and hemp protein shakes make for a more quality shake. I average about two of these shakes per day, but after reading this thread some of yall make it out like shakes are a waste except post-workout.