GYNO!! Please help

[mike2nice]

I have noticed a little gyno. I am on right now. Test 500/week. I will be adding tren-a soon, and running some caber with it.

My plan is to start Letro and run that for a while (while it works it magic), then come off that and start Tomax for the rest of my cycle. I don;t want to be on letro throughout my whole cycle.

My questions are:
1) How long should I run the Letro, and at what dose?

2) When I come off the letro, what dose for Tomax?

3) Are my gains going to be terrible now that I am running these? (diet and exercise are in place, so thats not an issue)

Thank you.

[magic32]

Go light on the caber, as for the others:

I have noticed a little gyno. I am on right now. Test 500/week. I will be adding tren-a soon, and running some caber with it.

My plan is to start Letro and run that for a while (while it works it magic), then come off that and start Tomax for the rest of my cycle. I don;t want to be on letro throughout my whole cycle.

My questions are:
1) How long should I run the Letro, and at what dose?As long as you want, you're the one setting an arbitrary extinction date and switching to Nolva. Just start the Nolva a couple of days before your last dose of Letro which can be run at .25mgs ED.

2) When I come off the letro, what dose for Tomax? 20mgs ED, and at least a couple weeks after symptoms subside or to the conclusion of PCT which ever comes LAST! Think of this in the prescribed antibiotic manner in which the doc says, "Don't stop as soon as your symptoms diminish, take the whole course/bottle."

3) Are my gains going to be terrible now that I am running these? (diet and exercise are in place, so thats not an issue) Not terrible, but SERMs do hinder cycle gains (though the extent is individual) it's far preferable to run AI's alongside aas, and SERMs during PCT/off cycle.
Thank you.

[mike2nice]

Interesting. So you are saying that running letro DURING a cycle is preferable? Am I right about that? I thought that since it lowered your estro so drastically that it in fact was worse for gains. I was actaully reading the post at the top of this section about gyno, and I was wondering whether or not I even needed that Letro. Would running tomax alone be enough? I guess I am a little confused.

[mike2nice]

So I have been reading a bunch. And there seems to be some difference of opinions. I think that I am going to run Tomax, and leave out the Letro. They will both stop gyno in its tracks. Letro will most likely kill my gains, and Tomax may or may not hinder them. But I don't want to kill all the estro in my system. Can anyone confirm this logic?

[WARMachine]

Interesting. So you are saying that running letro DURING a cycle is preferable? Am I right about that? I thought that since it lowered your estro so drastically that it in fact was worse for gains. I was actaully reading the post at the top of this section about gyno, and I was wondering whether or not I even needed that Letro. Would running tomax alone be enough? I guess I am a little confused.

Ok... Lets start again. What are you confused about? Magic explained it well i thought?

[mike2nice]

Warmachine!! You are the man. I was reading your post about gyno at the top of this section. Well... Letro KILLS your gains during a cycle. And Tomax has been shown to stop and even reverse gyno in some cases!

why would it then be preferable to run Letro while on cycle? Why not run Tomax and have similar results without affecting gains as drastically?

Please correct me if I am wrong!

[downcrash]

I was just about to start a thread to praise letro, but I want to give you a heads up because I'm going through the same prob. Developed gyno in 4th week of cycle from test 400 mgs a week with a 25 day 45mg ed dbol kickstart. I've been running letro from 7 days and my gyno has reduced by estimated 80%! Granted, I stopped taking dbol almost 2 weeks ago. Letro works brother. I was running it at 1.25mg ed for first three days then bumped up to 2.5mgs. I no longer have the need to take it at this dose so I'm going to taper down and remain on until PCT.

[WARMachine]

I personally hate letro. I know thats a bit of a strong word, but honestly, i dont see to much of a need for it...


Anyway, the only reason id avoid Tamox on cycle for your particular case, is you intend to run a 19-Nor in Tren A.

[WARMachine]

I was just about to start a thread to praise letro, but I want to give you a heads up because I'm going through the same prob. Developed gyno in 4th week of cycle from test 400 mgs a week with a 25 day 45mg ed dbol kickstart. I've been running letro from 7 days and my gyno has reduced by estimated 80%! Granted, I stopped taking dbol almost 2 weeks ago. Letro works brother. I was running it at 1.25mg ed for first three days then bumped up to 2.5mgs. I no longer have the need to take it at this dose so I'm going to taper down and remain on until PCT.

lol...

You sure you FULLY developed gyno? And not just the onset of the beginning phases?

Considering you 'developed' it in 4 weeks, i seriously doubt it.

[downcrash]

lol...

You sure you FULLY developed gyno? And not just the onset of the beginning phases?

Considering you 'developed' it in 4 weeks, i seriously doubt it.

Well to be honest I'm not sure what fully developed gyno is. I had gyno probs from a previous cycle that subsided when cycle was over and I took some nolva. (This was over three years ago)

I developed a rock in one nipple and soft tissue in the other. It was visible, but only if you were looking for it. It was to the point where it was painful to run.

In any event, I read your thread man, and it definitely helped me out. Thanks.

[Hazard]

I developed some gyno symptoms..... on drol/dbol and test 600mg's/wk. Developed a small lump..... soft tissue under each nipple. Got on .5mg's l-dex/ed for 5 days then eod throguhout cycle and 40mg's nolva until the tissue left..... i'm all good now

~Haz~

[8iron]

I personally hate letro. I know thats a bit of a strong word, but honestly, i dont see to much of a need for it...


Anyway, the only reason id avoid Tamox on cycle for your particular case, is you intend to run a 19-Nor in Tren A.

So what would your process be if running a 19-nor, is this a case where you might have to run letro instead of tamox

[WARMachine]

Possibly...

Or Nolvadex and Caber or Bromo.

[8iron]

this might be a stupid question so bear with me and dont go hitting ur head against the wall Warmachine.........if he already has the begininng signs of gyno and he hasnt stated the tren yet .....will the the caber or bromo work since it is for progesterone or do they also lower estrogen also????

[WARMachine]

Are you asking if Caber or Bromo will work for controlling estrogen?

[mike2nice]

Possibly...

Or Nolvadex and Caber or Bromo.

OK. I am running caber anyway. So my best bet will be Tomax/Nolva along with Caber? This you think will work well?

[8iron]

Are you asking if Caber or Bromo will work for controlling estrogen?

kinda of two questions ;

1) why would bromo and caber work.. his gyno is showing before a 19 nor is taken so it isnt probably progesterone.or prolatic....?

2) yes.......does bormo and caber also have an effect on estrogen levels

told u i was difficult..................lol

[WARMachine]

kinda of two questions ;

1) why would bromo and caber work.. his gyno is showing before a 19 nor is taken so it isnt probably progesterone.or prolatic....?

2) yes.......does bormo and caber also have an effect on estrogen levels

told u i was difficult..................lol

1) Yes his sides are from high circulating estrogen.
2) Read this to get a understanding of Caber and what it does.


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=356499

[8iron]

1) Yes his sides are from high circulating estrogen.
2) Read this to get a understanding of Caber and what it does.


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=356499

Thanks War, I read this already, i asked about estrogen because sometimes you have more knowledge than some of these thread, it doesnt say anything about a dopamine controling levels of estrogen, just prolactin was just wondering if it did.........thanks Bro......appreciate ur time

[korexite]

prolactin suppression should be effective in any gyno case, but I dont reccomend it solo unless estrogen is already suppressed. Non aromatizing steroid and your HPA is suppressed.

Pramipexole and cabergoline are both effective choices. If using cabergoline, tabs only, cabaser is the cheaper (but same) version. Cabergoline degrades in solution.