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  1. 05-10-2009, 02:41 PM #1
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    Exclamation 1st cutting cycle ever...plz review

    This is how i plan to run my 1st cutter ever, but not 1st cycle! My previous cycles are listed below along with my stats. Please comment on cycle as i am not sure if i am using enough of each compound to be effective in accoplishing my goals. Thanks!!

    WEEKS 1- 6: Winstrol 50mg Every Other Day
    WEEKS 1- 6: Tren 75mg Every Other Day
    WEEKS 1- 6: Cytomel(T3)50-75mcg Every Day
    WEEKS 1- 8: Testosterone Propionate 50mg Every Other Day

    WEEKS 1- 8: Pregnyl ( HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 days
    WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80-100mcg 14 days ON, 14 days OFF
    WEEKS 1-10: Anastozol 0.25mg Every day

    WEEK 8: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
    WEEK 9: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
    WEEK 10: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

    STATS
    5'9
    175lbs
    bf unknown but higher then id like...
    2 previous cycles:
    Sust @ 500mg/wk for 12 weeks
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    Test Cyp 500mg/wk 12 weeks
    D bol 50mg/day 1st 4 weeks

    Cycle goals: to shred as much bf and hold on to as much lean mass as possible. It would be nice to even add a few pounds of lean mass although i will be severly restricting calories so this most likely will not be the case.

    ANY AND ALL COMMENTS APPRECIATED!
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  2. 05-10-2009, 03:08 PM #2
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    Winny HAS to be taken ED, not EOD, it has an effective half life of only 8-12 hours

    and as long as you are taking that ED, you might as well take the Tren and Prop ED as well

    Your PCT should start 3 days after last Prop shot, so that would be in week 9 not 8

    If your bodyfat is higher, you will not notice much from the winny until you are under 10%

    Have the guys here check out your cutting diet for you,
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    so how is this then, changes made....


    WEEKS 1- 6: Winstrol 50mg Every Day
    WEEKS 1- 6: Tren 37.5mg Every Day (is this enough)
    WEEKS 1- 6: Cytomel(T3)50-75mcg Every Day
    WEEKS 1- 8: Testosterone Propionate 50mg Every Day (is this enough)

    WEEKS 1- 8: Pregnyl ( HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 days
    WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80-100mcg 14 days ON, 14 days OFF
    WEEKS 1-10: Anastozol 0.25mg Every day

    WEEK 9: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
    WEEK 10: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
    WEEK 11: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
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  5. 05-10-2009, 03:34 PM #5
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    Personally, I would do 75mgs/ED of tren....in fact that is what I am doing right now

    Prop is fine

    Is your winny oral or inject? if oral, split the dose up twice a day

    You don't HAVE TO run prop two weeks longer, but that is fine the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-MOS View Post
    Personally, I would do 75mgs/ED of tren....in fact that is what I am doing right now

    Prop is fine

    Is your winny oral or inject? if oral, split the dose up twice a day

    You don't HAVE TO run prop two weeks longer, but that is fine the way it is.
    doesnt body size and experience factor in on the dosage. last time i checked tmos u are slightly bigger then this guy. with my fuzzy math skills u might be twice as big
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    thanks Tmos yea oral winny will split it up twice a day. Will consider running tren at 75mgs/day as well. appreciate your help. heres the cycle with changes made...


    WEEKS 1- 6: Winstrol 50mg Every Day Split up into 2 doses
    WEEKS 1- 6: Tren 75mg Every Day (?)
    WEEKS 1- 6: Cytomel(T3)50-75mcg Every Day
    WEEKS 1- 8: Testosterone Propionate 50mg Every Day (is this enough)

    WEEKS 1- 8: Pregnyl ( HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 days
    WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80-100mcg 14 days ON, 14 days OFF
    WEEKS 1-10: Anastozol 0.25mg Every day

    WEEK 9: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
    WEEK 10: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
    WEEK 11: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

    anyone else have thoughts on tren dosage for me??
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  8. 05-10-2009, 03:45 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightsout2184 View Post
    doesnt body size and experience factor in on the dosage. last time i checked tmos u are slightly bigger then this guy. with my fuzzy math skills u might be twice as big
    its a little high for a first tren cycle. normal starting weekly dose for tren is around 350mgs/week

    I was just making his math easy as 75mgs/ED would come to about 525mgs/week

    if his tren is dosed at 75mgs/ml, he could do 3/4 ml ED and get about 400 mgs/week that way

    and yes, I got about 100 lbs on him......LOLOL
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  9. 05-10-2009, 03:54 PM #9
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    giggidy goo!... yea its dose at 75mg/ml therefor i will take 3/4 ml and get in 56.25mg daily lol. i like that idea, probably a better dose for me as a 1st time user of tren.

    another revision
    WEEKS 1- 6: Winstrol 50mg Every Day
    WEEKS 1- 6: Tren 56.25mg Every Day (3/4ml)
    WEEKS 1- 6: Cytomel(T3)50-75mcg Every Day
    WEEKS 1- 8: Testosterone Propionate 50mg Every Day

    WEEKS 1- 8: Pregnyl ( HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 days
    WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80-100mcg 14 days ON, 14 days OFF
    WEEKS 1-10: Anastozol 0.25mg Every day

    WEEK 9: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
    WEEK 10: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
    WEEK 11: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
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    ^^ looks good to me
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    one last question would it be beneficial to bump the prop up to 75mg/day and go with 3/4 ml on both the tren and prop... or would the difference be negligable? any thoughts?
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    I think you have enough in your cycle as it is right now. I don't think there is any more need to bump anything more then it is.
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    i assume that is the general concensus then?
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    why not run the clen throughout the cycle and not in pct(i'm not a fan of clen in pct btw)
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    well i guess i could do that using ketotifen to upregulate... i just might have to do that..lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phate View Post
    why not run the clen throughout the cycle and not in pct(i'm not a fan of clen in pct btw)
    gotta agree with Phate. Imo the anti-catobolic effects of clen are often over percieved. I would run in during cycle as phate recommended your goals during pct should be A)recovery and B) holding on to the gains you made, in this case it would your lowered bf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn_fighter View Post
    gotta agree with Phate. Imo the anti-catobolic effects of clen are often over percieved. I would run in during cycle as phate recommended your goals during pct should be A)recovery and B) holding on to the gains you made, in this case it would your lowered bf.
    couldn't have said it better myself
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    oops screwd up the post my bad
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    will do then using ketotifen to upregulate

    another revision
    WEEKS 1- 6: Winstrol 50mg Every Day
    WEEKS 1- 6: Tren 56.25mg Every Day (3/4ml)
    WEEKS 1- 6: Cytomel(T3)50-75mcg Every Day
    WEEKS 1- 8: Testosterone Propionate 50mg Every Day

    WEEKS 1- 8: Pregnyl ( HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 days
    WEEKS 1-8: Clenbuterol 80-100mcg Every Day
    WEEKS 2-8: Ketotifen 1mg Every Night Before Bed
    WEEKS 1-10: Anastozol 0.25mg Every day

    WEEK 9: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
    WEEK 10: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
    WEEK 11: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
    Last edited by Bertskee; 05-10-2009 at 06:02 PM.
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    just had another thought... is it absolutely necesary to ramp up and down with the t3? i know its better safe then sorry when playing around with thyroid hormone but maybe someone could shed a little light on this one??
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