Newbie Cycle Help PLEASE

[kissarmy39]

Hello all,

This is my first post on the forum. I actually just joined 5 minutes ago. Anyways I have been researching cycles and supplements for the ppast 6 months and decided to join this site because it seemed to give me the most information when I was reading up on everything. I am about 5' 10" and about 180 as well at about 10-11% body fat. I have been training and lifting for 8 years now, variety of strength, speed, agility, mma, ju jitsu, swimming, mountain biking, resistance training, brute strength training (tire lifts), and flexibility training. I have been serious about AS since last summer, and spent the time researching stuff as far as what to take, what to not take, effects of stacking, as well as best supplements to take, best pct, how much it costs, how long to run a cycle, how long to recover from it, how to keep it, how to eat, sleep, and train right. Basically i have touched up on a bit of everything but in no way am I knowledgable in the subject, at least not as much as I should be in regards to starting a 10 week cycle and I am looking to put on 20-25 lbs of staying strong muscle (who isnt?). Anyways for a beginner cycle I was thinking this:

0 cycles before this

Weeks 1-10

Sustanon 250 - 1 10ml vial @ 250mg/ml, 250 mg per week (each time with the EQ)
EQ 200 - 1 10 ml vials @ 200 mg/ml, 200 mg per week (each time with the sustanon)
HCG - 500 iu's per week injected day after the EQ/Sust injection

Weeks 1-3
Dianabol - 20 Mg's every day for first 3 weeks

Weeks 7-10
Winny 50 mgs every day for last 3 weeks

PCT:

Weeks 10-12 -rest lift my ass off and keep up with regular supplements, plus Add ArimiaTest 2 pills a day

Weeks 13-15 - Clomid and Nolvadex in light decreasing doses. Continue with Arima Test and other supplements

Supplements plan on using:

NOX-6 pills on a lifting day,
CE2-4 pills on a lifting day,
AminoBuild-1 pills a day,
Cyto Gainer and Mass Gainer 2 to 3 shakes a day,
Milk Thistle - 1 pills a day,
Saw Palmetto - 1 Pills a Day,
Multi - 1 pill a day,
LiverAid- 1 pill a day,
B-Complex 1 a day,
L-Carnitine - 2 pills lifting days,
Glutamine - 2 pills lifting days,
Vitamin C 1000- 1 a day,
Alpha L Acid - 2 pills a day
Linoelic Acid - 2 pills a day
Fish Oil and Flax Seed Oil - 1 pill od each a day
Red Yest - 1 Pill a day.
Vigorplex - 1 pill a day
VigRX- 2 pills a day

Basically all are recommended dosages (minimum) so I dont have to break the bank anymore.

Eat 4500-5000 Calories a day, 220-240 Grams of Protein a day. Lower Fat, High Preworkout Carbs.
Resting Metabolism checked as of 4/22/2009 ~ 2450 Cal/Dday

I am looking for a lean look, i am still lean at my current stage but hey i wanna take the extra step and get over that 200. I know i have a ridiculous amount of shit posted and i know i look like an idiot so please dont bash me, simply tell me what i do not need and need more of. People have told me more test while others day its not needed with ur first cycle (same with EQ both that and test I have been told I could double but it wouldnt be needed since I have others stacked and its first cycle) I have also been told that My orals should be run at 4 weeks at least not just 3, but once again some have told me that since its my first cycle and i have some stacked that it is okay. I have the hcg bc I have a gf and while she knows i will be cycling I dont want it to affect our sex life extremely that I have peanuts for balls and cant **** her like its my job anymore. I know HCG doesnt keep everything goin great as usual down there, especially at lower doses, but i was told higher doses can do more harm than good on ur cycle and ur junk and also arent needed since its my first cycle.

I know this is a shitload of information and i am sure red flags are everywhere and i look like a fool but my bad, i researched what i could and figured i had somewhat of a good base and now it is time to get the experts opinion hence why i finally joined and posted. Sadly this is all hypothetical since while I do have the money I do not have a source, I was tempted to buy online but after all the research and comparing I denied impulse and I figured I will do it the right way instead of getting burned and learning the hard way. And who knows in due time maybe something will come my way. Regardless please give all input you can and desire. Just please dont be overly critical bc i know this is a ridiculous amount of information and a lot of it is wrong. Thanks,

[lovbyts]

Looks like what I wanted to do for my first cycle.
After some reading and some good advise I kept it simple and a Test E cycle.

We all want to do to much, as much as possible the first time out but it's better to keep it simple.

[kissarmy39]

haha wwell i hope im "following" in good footsteps, i felt like my eyes may have been to big for my errr.. muscles?

Do u mean a 10-12 Test E at 400-500mg per week, 2 sep injections, 1-4 weeks of Dbol everyway, nolvadex at 10-20mg every day the whole cycle with some Ldex as well? then Pct to finish it off 2 weeks after last prick.

[ninesecz]

sounds like you have a good grasp on what you are doing! not like some people.

Yes do 12 weeks of test E (250 shot Monday morning and 250shot Thursday night)
Do 40 mg of D-bol (optional) ED for 28 days

Finish up with you PCT Dont thi k you will need the Nolva Every day unless you get symptoms! it will take a little away from the test by running it
Good work though! You will be very happy with this for your first

[RangersLTW]

1-12 test e 250mg e3.5d
14-17 clomid/nolva
clom 100/50/50
nolva 50/25/25
adex .25mg everyday if needed

[TheBerryhillMonster]

Solid first cycle. ;]

[kissarmy39]

Thanks man, what do u guys think about my supplement list? anything i should take out or add in or more of? also cals and protein good?

[kissarmy39]

thanks berry do u mean the cycle i posted or the test e?

[Papa Smurf]

Use the money that your buying all those supplements with and put it towards food. Your gonna need it during and most important after your cycle if you wanna keep your gains.

[D7M]

how old are you?

what's your diet like?

way too many supps, imo.

And if you start taking in 4K+ cals you'll just add fat and muscle.

[T-MOS]

Solid first cycle. ;]

Excuse me??? how do you figure that running all those compounds for a FIRST cycle is a good idea??

Sorry OP, but you don't have a clue. Not sure where you been researching but it musn't have been here...............


what are your stats please

age
height
weight
bodyfat %

after you answer your stats, restart your research here: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[RangersLTW]

wouldn't mine work

[RangersLTW]

didn't see any reason for the dbol for the first cycle......why add to something when its the first time

[Hunter]

Thats alot of supps and a cycle way to complicated for your 1st cycle.

[T-MOS]

wouldn't mine work

yes, depending on his stats, yours was fine except for your PCT start time

14 days after last test e would be start of week 15 not 14

[learner1]

im also new to this. i thought hcg was used only post cycle?

[Big]

im also new to this. i thought hcg was used only post cycle?

nope, I strongly prefer on cycle.

[Hunter]

yes, depending on his stats, yours was fine except for your PCT start time

14 days after last test e would be start of week 15 not 14

he weighs 180, 5'10 and 11-10% bf age wasnt given I believe.

[learner1]

nope, I strongly prefer on cycle.

so then would it be better to use hcg throughout both cycles?

[Brown Ninja]

keep it simple test e will be just fine

[T-MOS]

he weighs 180, 5'10 and 11-10% bf age wasnt given I believe.

thanks, i missed it in all the reading

OP, AGE PLEASE

[kissarmy39]

sorry for the delay guys, i am 26 goin on 27. I read that sust was a good bulking beginner if it was just by itself with 250mg-500mg a month. I also read that it stacked well with Eq and that eq both at a low base is a good beginner cycle. one of my buddies said it was good to have a oral mixed with injectable to get a kickstart of a sort. Also that dianabol is tried and true for initial mass gains and winn at the end tones and hardens it all up. Like i said, i knew what i posted was crazy to start with so i thank all for helping me, but i swear its not like i just started lifting or just started researching today, all of this stuff i read or heard from buddies juicing. I know the first time u can use a little to gain a lot but i really didnt think i had that much and that having diversity was good. yes i know i need a 12 step program from supplements. I figure just have stuff for heart and cholesterol, bones, multi, and liver should be fine, with pct and maybe prostate health and yohimbe products for my goods. I have a girlfriend and i am worried that having a pure test cycle will shock my system totally destroy my hpta and then make pct longer.

[kissarmy39]

oh and my diet is consisting of:
Breakfast: egg whites, total rasin bran crunch, orange juice, skim plus chocolate milk, yogurt, 2% milk in cereal. Rye bread with peanut butter and jelly, and a bannana

Snack: turkey sandwich with low fat mayo on wheat bread with lettuce tomator and swiss cheese, another yogurt, v8 fusion. Metrx Choco Peanutbutter Protein bar

Lunch: grilled chicken panini on wheat break, mozzarella cheese, tomatoes, onions, lettuce, olives, marinara sauce. 2% milk, pb&j on rye. v8 splash

Snack: another protein bar and a gatorade or such

Dinner: Think hungry man fried chicken but not fried and not as bad for u. Lotta grilled chicken, corn, peas, broccoli low fat mashed potatoes. Some type of juice (not a sugar juice like snapple like an oj or v8) pumpernickel bread roll. Weight watchers chocolate ice cream bar.

Before Bed: protein bar. protein shake

I usually have a protein shake after workout and b4 bed. and get about 3/4 to a full gallon of water a day. I usually schedule my workouts to end right b4 one of these meals. This is avg not exact but gives u a jist.