starting cycle, only want straight answers

[TractionIssues]

http://thefitshow.tv/index.php?optio...son1&Itemid=69

This will help you alot for your chest, make sure you watch then entire video. Your chest from now on will GROW BIG!

[Free Will]

listen when it comes to this site you came here for a reason ....you are asking a question that you dont want to hear the answers for ....listen man im all for you getting big and looking good but when you ask a question about using steroids you are asking about a drug ...and with all drugs they come with side effects and they are not to be taken litely ....yes yes yes you have heard it all before ..you are to young to use , you will fuse your growth plates ...yada yada yada ...these guys arnt saying this so they can see there own writing up on the computer , they are trying to help ....seriously a shitload of chicken breast , eggs , fish , red meat , protien and other supps will get you top where you want to be ....and as far as i know here cos im only new myself the person you want to listen to here the most is T-Mos so listen to his advice ....peace

[theblueoak]

my diet is great
and i found what works for me in getting very cut without very much cardio

its something like this: before you read it, it may not work for you but i know for a fact it works for me so before you say something take in consideration what works for some doesnt always work for others>...

(just an example) the times vary and so do the meals

8:00.... about 75 high quality carbs mixed with a little simple carb to re-boost from my 8 hr sleep, a rough estimate, around 20-30g protein around 10g fat or less

11:30.... 8-10oz chicken + apple or some other fruit some days just the chicken

2:30/ 3:00... fish, chicken, steak, 6-10oz, and about 10 carbs

4:45 1 scoop whey, 20g protein 0 fat 0 carb

5:00 gym

6:15/6:30 1 1/2 - 2 scoops whey protein + banana, rasins or some other fruit

7:00/7:15 some type of meet maybe some vegitables, keeping cabs low

9:00/10:00ish another scoop protein, or cottage cheese, again high protein low carb

and every few days i will increase my carbs

[T-MOS]

because im not happy with my gains
and on a side note my chest will literally not grow.

Ive hit 300 on bench and 110lb dumbells for 6 reps

on bench the bar touched my chest and the dumbbells i had full extension so im guessig it isnt my form that wont let me grow... it is really my only weak point and its not my outher chest it is just my lower. i have a large outer chest so i look great with a shirt but with it off there seems to be a triangle of mass missing just between my lower chest

OK, now this is your EGO talking and I know it all too well.
here is my background....

I am 44, never touched a steroid til I was 36. I am 5'11 and currently 260 SOLID lbs, and I feel SMALL....

I struggle with 365 on the bench....not my strong point. but I AM HUGE !!!

so self image is big in this.. I look in the mirror and think I am TINY......

its called body dysmorphic disease. we ALL GOT IT !!!

now I am 44, you are 18....... you got a LOT of natural potential left BEFORE you SHUT THAT OFF

steoids WILL SHUT DOWN YOUR NATURAL PRODUCTION OF HORMONES
at my age, that is NO BIG DEAL

at YOUR age, that is everything.... ten years from now you may meet the girl of your dreams and she may want a family...... well you could screw that up right now , by taking steroids......
at my age, my hormone levels are already on the decline, so IF they don't come back to normal after a cycle, its no big deal, cause they were low already
at YOUR age they are at their PEAK....... so after a cycle IF they don't come back, then you are SCREWED for the rest of your life

that is why AGE is so important

PLUS, your growth plates do NOT naturally fuse until your MID twenties.... MINE are already fused, no worries, but YOU , still have different growth to worry about , not just height

steroid use NOW, WILL FUSE your growth plates.....

THAT is the ONLY reason we care so much about age here.............we KNOW , we have been through this


I guarentee, that if we change your eating , JUST your eating, that you could easily put on 20 lbs in less than a year.....

how does that sound???

are you dedicated to this enough to eat that way you should to GROW like the BIG BOYS????????


the choice is really yours, its your life, your body, i get nothing for stopping you from using steroids......except the warm feeling in my heart from knowing I saved someone's FATHER...... which you WILL be someday....


SO, the next step is YOURS. what kind of man do you want to be???

I will help you either way you choose.......

choose wisely

[theblueoak]

damn it t-mos

you make alot of sence to me and it makes me sad because i reallt wanted to take them

if i took a 6 week cycle what are the chances that my test would slow down permanently after my cycle and pct

[Free Will]

OK, now this is your EGO talking and I know it all too well.
here is my background....

I am 44, never touched a steroid til I was 36. I am 5'11 and currently 260 SOLID lbs, and I feel SMALL....

I struggle with 365 on the bench....not my strong point. but I AM HUGE !!!

so self image is big in this.. I look in the mirror and think I am TINY......

its called body dysmorphic disease. we ALL GOT IT !!!

now I am 44, you are 18....... you got a LOT of natural potential left BEFORE you SHUT THAT OFF

steoids WILL SHUT DOWN YOUR NATURAL PRODUCTION OF HORMONES
at my age, that is NO BIG DEAL

at YOUR age, that is everything.... ten years from now you may meet the girl of your dreams and she may want a family...... well you could screw that up right now , by taking steroids......
at my age, my hormone levels are already on the decline, so IF they don't come back to normal after a cycle, its no big deal, cause they were low already
at YOUR age they are at their PEAK....... so after a cycle IF they don't come back, then you are SCREWED for the rest of your life

that is why AGE is so important

PLUS, your growth plates do NOT naturally fuse until your MID twenties.... MINE are already fused, no worries, but YOU , still have different growth to worry about , not just height

steroid use NOW, WILL FUSE your growth plates.....

THAT is the ONLY reason we care so much about age here.............we KNOW , we have been through this


I guarentee, that if we change your eating , JUST your eating, that you could easily put on 20 lbs in less than a year.....

how does that sound???

are you dedicated to this enough to eat that way you should to GROW like the BIG BOYS????????


the choice is really yours, its your life, your body, i get nothing for stopping you from using steroids......except the warm feeling in my heart from knowing I saved someone's FATHER...... which you WILL be someday....


SO, the next step is YOURS. what kind of man do you want to be???

I will help you either way you choose.......

choose wisely

rock on T-Mos ...well said

[Free Will]

damn man JUST DONT DO IT !!!!

[TractionIssues]

damn it t-mos

you make alot of sence to me and it makes me sad because i reallt wanted to take them

if i took a 6 week cycle what are the chances that my test would slow down permanently after my cycle and pct

As soon as you take your first shot, your giving a big punch in the face to your HTPA. Most steroids will completely shut down your system as soon as the drug enters your body.

[amcon]

Please do us all a favour, stay on this board, you have alot to learn here. I am not saying steroids are not for you, I am just saying you need to pass through a couple of stages before you start. Please visit the diet section and get something truly top notch, then get your workout training perfecting to your goals, and then add in a couple of supplements, and then tell us how your progress is going. If your doing good, maybe in 2-3 years you might be ready for a first cycle of test. But before you jump on the "miracle wagon", do what works the best, esspecially with all the testosterone in your body right now, you will grow FAST. Much faster than a kid your age who takes roids but knows nothing about diet and training. We are all here to help you GROW!

blueoak, I will try to help you and reason with you , IF you are mature enough to talk to me like an adult, and lets see what we can agree on, so you at least go about whatever you are going to do SAFELY for your FUTURE HEALTH...

keep in mind 18-19 is NOTHING when you think about living to be 80

there is JUST so much MORE to this than TAKING a pill or a shot

T-MOS you are a good MO-FO.

You keep this place respectable.....I going to bed

good post, well put... op you want to hear what you want to hear

this is what is being said-

dont do aas your too young

if you do aas 10 weeks plus

if you do aas get used to your present hight... you will miss out on 3 - 6 years of hight growth

if you do act like an adult and listen to the men who know - they will teach you how to grow with out aas - i promise that

so no shut up and listen

[Loaded6161]

You did say that you only wanted to do 6 weeks of test and if im not mistaken it takes 5-6 weeks to see results on strait test anyway...so essentially you wouldnt even see the gains your looking for

[theblueoak]

then that sucks,
again thats why i was asking

[amcon]

OK, now this is your EGO talking and I know it all too well.
here is my background....

I am 44, never touched a steroid til I was 36. I am 5'11 and currently 260 SOLID lbs, and I feel SMALL....

I struggle with 365 on the bench....not my strong point. but I AM HUGE !!!

so self image is big in this.. I look in the mirror and think I am TINY......

its called body dysmorphic disease. we ALL GOT IT !!!

now I am 44, you are 18....... you got a LOT of natural potential left BEFORE you SHUT THAT OFF

steoids WILL SHUT DOWN YOUR NATURAL PRODUCTION OF HORMONES
at my age, that is NO BIG DEAL

at YOUR age, that is everything.... ten years from now you may meet the girl of your dreams and she may want a family...... well you could screw that up right now , by taking steroids......
at my age, my hormone levels are already on the decline, so IF they don't come back to normal after a cycle, its no big deal, cause they were low already
at YOUR age they are at their PEAK....... so after a cycle IF they don't come back, then you are SCREWED for the rest of your life

that is why AGE is so important

PLUS, your growth plates do NOT naturally fuse until your MID twenties.... MINE are already fused, no worries, but YOU , still have different growth to worry about , not just height

steroid use NOW, WILL FUSE your growth plates.....

THAT is the ONLY reason we care so much about age here.............we KNOW , we have been through this


I guarentee, that if we change your eating , JUST your eating, that you could easily put on 20 lbs in less than a year.....

how does that sound???

are you dedicated to this enough to eat that way you should to GROW like the BIG BOYS????????


the choice is really yours, its your life, your body, i get nothing for stopping you from using steroids......except the warm feeling in my heart from knowing I saved someone's FATHER...... which you WILL be someday....


SO, the next step is YOURS. what kind of man do you want to be???

I will help you either way you choose.......

choose wisely

after this we can now lock this thread... let him read and re read this...

next we need to make what tmoss said a sticky for every nooB

i dont like to kiss ass and i think a lot of people kiss ass of the vets here ... but this time i will kiss tmoss's ass this is very well said and to the point ... this is a must read post

[theblueoak]

i posted my diet, if no one will answer my original question then how do i gain 10 lb of pure muscle in shortest time possible, i know that is a tough q cause everyone is different but ill take what i get from everyone and decide whats best in the advice given

[theblueoak]

i wont take them, youve convinced me

thanks alot, i knew the whole time it could be bad but i didnt want ot listen

here is my diet again any tips on gaining more size, without fat



my diet is great
and i found what works for me in getting very cut without very much cardio

its something like this: before you read it, it may not work for you but i know for a fact it works for me so before you say something take in consideration what works for some doesnt always work for others>...

(just an example) the times vary and so do the meals

8:00.... about 75 high quality carbs mixed with a little simple carb to re-boost from my 8 hr sleep, a rough estimate, around 20-30g protein around 10g fat or less

11:30.... 8-10oz chicken + apple or some other fruit some days just the chicken

2:30/ 3:00... fish, chicken, steak, 6-10oz, and about 10 carbs

4:45 1 scoop whey, 20g protein 0 fat 0 carb

5:00 gym

6:15/6:30 1 1/2 - 2 scoops whey protein + banana, rasins or some other fruit

7:00/7:15 some type of meet maybe some vegitables, keeping cabs low

9:00/10:00ish another scoop protein, or cottage cheese, again high protein low carb

and every few days i will increase my carbs

[T-MOS]

damn it t-mos

you make alot of sence to me and it makes me sad because i reallt wanted to take them

if i took a 6 week cycle what are the chances that my test would slow down permanently after my cycle and pct

Listen, IF i thought it was the best thing for you at this time, I would be the first one outlineing your cycle........... I am HERE doing this for FREE because I care, and I dont' want you to become another statistic for the media to say just how bad steroids are..............

I know the desire to be bigger.....but your POTENTIAL is SO GREAT right now IF you just change a few things in your diet and training.... steroids are NOT magic.... GOD i wish they were........ I LIVE AND BREATHE by the clock... and when its time to eat, what to eat, when to take a shot, how much...... its NOT easy

a 6 week cycle is really NO GOOD for a beginner as it would require EVERYDAY SHOTS that will be painful.....

steroids are held in suspension by what are called ESTERS, and the esters determine how fast or slow the steroid is released into the blood stream

so , to do a six week cycle, you would need a FAST ester, which would mean Everyday SHOTS, that will be painful for 3 days in each site you shoot....


The exogenous hormone you shoot WILL shut down your natural production of testosterone, it WILL convert to the FEMALE hormone ESTROGEN which can produce what we call BITCH TITS.......
You will HAVE to take several compounds AFTER you are done with the injections in HOPES to restart your Natural production and bring back your estrogen levels to what would be normal for a man your age..........and there is NO guarantee that your natural levels of hormones will return !!!!

see, its NOT as simple as popping a pill or taking a shot.......... if it was, hey, go for it........ I would be the first to tell you how to inject !!!!

BUT, i will also be the first to tell you that YOUR HEALTH needs to come first , as you are MORE than just your muscles. you will one day be provider for your FAMILY !!!!

that is what keeps me doing this for FREE !!!! the man you are NOW, is NOT that man you will be 10 years from now, BUT what you do to your body NOW will effect that Man you are to become...............

Your diet is NOT the greatest, and i KNOW for a fact our diet gurus can make it better for you if you are willing to listen........ you will GROW LIKE A WEED

agian, its YOUR choice, what kind of man you want to be
I didnt' touch a steroid til I was 36

[theblueoak]

im glad you were on here this late ot help me out t-mos

you say my diet could be better do you have any advice

one of the few reasons i wanted to take them was because i know of about 5 people my age who have taken them with little to no sides and a few people on them right now with same results

[Free Will]

ok try this

7am: 3eggs 3 egg whites , cup of oats , apple

9:30: chicken breast with brown rice and sweet potato

12: 200grm piece of fish , mixed vegies and brown rice

2pm: tuna pasta , with salad

4pm : pre workout 2 scoops whey protein , half a cup of rice and mixed vegies

5:30pm post workout ....2 scoops whey protein with skim milk , small tub cottage cheese

7:30: 300grm steak with vegies and pasta or rice

9:30: 2 scoops whey protein , glutamine , BCAAs , and apple ...



EAT EAT EAT EAT

[T-MOS]

im glad you were on here this late ot help me out t-mos

you say my diet could be better do you have any advice

one of the few reasons i wanted to take them was because i know of about 5 people my age who have taken them with little to no sides and a few people on them right now with same results

Diet is not my area of Expertise. BUT , if you start a thread in the diet section and look for Phate, jamyjamjr, or eatrainrest, they are the diet GURU's and IF you are willing to do the work, they will help you for FREE what people pay HUNDREDS for in a gym........

I wish you well my young friend...............remember , you only have ONE body, and once you start playing chemist with that body, then you have to take on the responsibility of a doctor........


anything else Just ask........I'll be here all week...........LOLOLOL

[theblueoak]

what i am doing is putting on muscle and cutting fat so im gonna try to stick with this, does anyone have advice on how to pick this up and make it a little better

my diet is bsically high protein through out the day, high carb for breakfast and aside from post workout and a little pre workout my carbs stay around 10g per meal

[theblueoak]

thanks again t-mos

[jbm]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[T-MOS]

im glad you were on here this late ot help me out t-mos

you say my diet could be better do you have any advice

one of the few reasons i wanted to take them was because i know of about 5 people my age who have taken them with little to no sides and a few people on them right now with same results

OK, what you have to keep in mind here is ALL that i have told you so far, these kids have NO IDEA what they are doing to their body...

SURE you will make gains, you will look r i p p e d FOR THE TIME BEING

but what about AFTER......... PCT is the MOST important part of using any steroid... I bet your 5 friends have NO CLUE what PCT is or HOW their body will restart what they SHUT DOWN..........

this isn't a sprint., this is a marathon........... they may be screwing up their HPTA and before they are 30 could be on TRT for the rest of their lives, possibly NOT being able to have children..........and other complications that they don't think about because of their AGE.......

at least you came here with and OPEN mind looking for the right answers !!

I commend you for that !!! you are leaps and bounds ahead of your friends !!!!

[theblueoak]

i knwo that 2 of the few that took them were atleast 2 years ago

one of them went from being very skinny to very large very fast
and afterward he kept alot of his gains and is still very strong and pretty big today
hes 19 now

[T-MOS]

what i am doing is putting on muscle and cutting fat so im gonna try to stick with this, does anyone have advice on how to pick this up and make it a little better

my diet is bsically high protein through out the day, high carb for breakfast and aside from post workout and a little pre workout my carbs stay around 10g per meal

What we see a hundred times EVERYDAY is people who think they have a decent diet......and for the most part IT IS a decent diet.

Yours isn't terrible......... but for YOUR GOALS, it is NOT what it should be.. that is what is holding you back

what you need to do , is

go to OUR diet section, start a thread, list EVERYTHING you eat in a typical day.....the more information the better........

this is where it gets serious...... you either WANT to get big, you you just ......wish you were big..... IF you WANT to get BIG, then you will do the math

you will count your calories..... you will list everything you eat, the times you eat it, and the macros, if you knwo them (macros, are the breakdown of the amounts of proteins, carbs, and fats, in any food substance)

layout your typical days food intake , just like you did in this thread, and they will give you WORK TO DO

they will give you MATH to do, you will need to figure out just how many calories you need in a day to maintain the body you have

everything else will work off of that

You came this far........now go the distance and do it right, show your friends, set the example.........you will make MORE SOLID gains then their temporary gains....cause if you don't know how to eat to grow, how will you eat to keep the gains you make from steroids?????

[theblueoak]

thanks t-mos

ill wait to take them but i feel that i will take them eventually later on

I guess i dont need to take them now considering i am still bigger than the kids who took them which makes me feel pretty good

i will tain harder and work on my diet

i added a picture if anyone is intersted i figure it would be easier do to that then to have to try to prove my stats again if i decide to post up here again

[T-MOS]

thanks t-mos

ill wait to take them but i feel that i will take them eventually later on

I guess i dont need to take them now considering i am still bigger than the kids who took them which makes me feel pretty good

i will tain harder and work on my diet

i added a picture if anyone is intersted i figure it would be easier do to that then to have to try to prove my stats again if i decide to post up here again

I am glad you made that decision, and I will be here to help you when you are ready to come to the dark side............. it will be my pleasure !!!

IF you change your mind, we will be here also......don't be afraid to get the best answers even if its not what you want to hear....

[theblueoak]

hahah

i hope so

you seem like you know alot about what you are talking about

[T-MOS]

hahah

i hope so

you seem like you know alot about what you are talking about

like I said, my first shot was when i was 36, I trained natural and even competed natural until then........I will only speak from the experience I have had over the last 10 years............. any questions, feel free to ask....even if I don't agree with you , I will answer the best I can..... I would rather you be safe , then out there on your own.............

Welcome to AR

[theblueoak]

thank you t-mos

i just wanna say that i am very thankful that you took the time to post and that i am happy that there are people like you who try to convince even the most stubborn people, with no personal benefit from it

its late so im gonna sleep

thanks again i really appreciate it

[jbm]

thank you t-mos

i just wanna say that i am very thankful that you took the time to post and that i am happy that there are people like you who try to convince even the most stubborn people, with no personal benefit from it

its late so im gonna sleep

thanks again i really appreciate it

I'm so touched!

Nice decision bro!!!

[T-MOS]

thank you t-mos

i just wanna say that i am very thankful that you took the time to post and that i am happy that there are people like you who try to convince even the most stubborn people, with no personal benefit from it

its late so im gonna sleep

thanks again i really appreciate it

You are VERY welcome !!!!!

[j4ever41]

nothing i can add T-MOS said it all, i would just tell you to go to the diet forum read the stickies,formulate you a diet to meet your goals and post it up with macros,your diet is not so bad but you are not going to grow on that diet,if you put together a solid bulk or lean bulk diet add in your age and optimal hormone levels you will be suprised at the progress you will make. goodluck

[lovbyts]

i knwo that 2 of the few that took them were atleast 2 years ago

one of them went from being very skinny to very large very fast
and afterward he kept alot of his gains and is still very strong and pretty big today
hes 19 now

You have gotten some good advise from T-MOS and you are doing a good thing by listening and learning.

Yes it's tough seeing these kind of gains from your freind but it reallyis about the Tortes and the hair; it's not a sprint.

Your friend is only 19, he has no idea what damage he may have already done and may not know for several years. Re read all the things T-MOS told you. I have read them several times and it's still sinking in. I'm SO glad I never did them as a kid but I sure thought about it and wanted to. Luckily I got distracted.

Start changing up your diet and you will start seeing more gains quicker. If you wait until you are in your mid 20s and you keep learning here you will go back to your 10 yr reunion being HUGE and your friends will be Fat, bald and probably have health issues.

BTW a quick story. One of the guys I went to school with started Steroids our seniour year (18) Up until then we where about the same size. We both loved weights.
He started to grow fast. He talked to me about using them also. I almost did..
1 yr after graduation he won Mr. Teen bodybuilding for our state.
2 yrs later he died due to kidney failure.

[Loaded6161]

You have gotten some good advise from T-MOS and you are doing a good thing by listening and learning.

Yes it's tough seeing these kind of gains from your freind but it reallyis about the Tortes and the hair; it's not a sprint.

Your friend is only 19, he has no idea what damage he may have already done and may not know for several years. Re read all the things T-MOS told you. I have read them several times and it's still sinking in. I'm SO glad I never did them as a kid but I sure thought about it and wanted to. Luckily I got distracted.

Start changing up your diet and you will start seeing more gains quicker. If you wait until you are in your mid 20s and you keep learning here you will go back to your 10 yr reunion being HUGE and your friends will be Fat, bald and probably have health issues.

lol what distracted you

[lovbyts]

lol what distracted you

1967 Camaro project and my 1st long term GF LOL DAMN women..

[Loaded6161]

yea haha that will do it

[T-MOS]

1967 Camaro project and my 1st long term GF LOL DAMN women..

Women are ALWAYS the reason for the fall of MAN !!!!!!!!!


Damn them....can't live with them, can't shoot them....

but just remember ..........no matter how hott, how sexy or how great in bed they are..............somebody somewhere is TIRED of putting up with their shit.........lolol

[HIITB$]

Women are ALWAYS the reason for the fall of MAN !!!!!!!!!


Damn them....can't live with them, can't shoot them....

but just remember ..........no matter how hott, how sexy or how great in bed they are..............somebody somewhere is TIRED of putting up with their shit.........lolol

lol i have a motivational pic like this but i can post it cause nipps are showing

[T-MOS]

lol i have a motivational pic like this but i can post it cause nipps are showing

hahahahah , damn , now I want to see it.....lolol

[lovbyts]

Women are ALWAYS the reason for the fall of MAN !!!!!!!!!


Damn them....can't live with them, can't shoot them....

but just remember ..........no matter how hott, how sexy or how great in bed they are..............somebody somewhere is TIRED of putting up with their shit.........lolol

You stole my line, that's what I alwasy say. LOL

I once told me wife (ex) if it was not for needing each other to reproduce and having some physical attractions our 2 species would have been at war LONG time ago and one of us would be extinct.