ya i know i'm not gonna run the prop i don't think, either prop or test-E one or the other, instead just maybe some var to kickstart... and the winni with b-12 solution EOD at 50ml was something i had great results from... i'm 180lbs, 8%BF and been training for 8 yrs, 28 yrs old... did 3 cycles prior, most orals and DHT derives, never run a test cycle before and i'm rather excited! oh btw, this is not for BB but for wrestling and boxing, i need to train 4 hours a day!