How long does it take for gyno to form?

[peptideguy12]

I've never had an issue with gyno before and have taken heavy doses of test I'm on now 125mg of test prop a day I had some extra dbols so Ive been taking 40mg a day and am taking 75-100mg of tren ace a day too I feel like my nipples may be getting sore or it could just be my chest workout from yesterday I've got some letro and tamaoxifen lying around if it is gyno how long does it take to form? can I just lower my test dosage or stop taking dbols or do I need to take some letro or nolva?


Thanks

[D7M]

if they get puffy, itchy or sensitive, you're in trouble.

I'd start running adex to be safe.

[peptideguy12]

I understand that those are the initial signs of formation I'm asking though how long after these initial warning signs are noticed does it take to become a problem that isn't reversible with letro because I'm running prop I was under the impression blood levels will drop in a couple days so I was hoping to avoid taking anything like that and just reduce my dosage if and when I notice these signs I'm no expert and I appreciate all advice thanks

[james21]

Reverse now, otherwise your in for surgery.

[MMArmour]

So are you coming to the end of cycle or are you coming off cycle due to your gyno symptoms? After experiencing gyno symptoms simply coming off or allowing blood levels to drop will not be enough. Just because your test levels fall does not mean that your estrogen levels fall. PCT is a perfect example of this. We run PCT largely in part to suppress estrogen (and a number of other reason..warmachine made a great post that is a sticky up top). And how long will i take for symptoms to culminate in gyno? No one can give you a time line for your specific body but its not worth waiting around to see.

Get nolva or adex asap

[peptideguy12]

I just started my cycle bro only a week in and yeah i guess ill take some nolva its sitting right here how much should I take 20mg??? and should i run it through my whole cycle??

[MMArmour]

id go with 20mg EOD. If that doesnt start taking care of symptoms then dose accordingly. In the past when ive had gyno symptoms the tamox knocked the symptoms right out. Stopped noticing itchy and sensitive nipples the very next day. Ya...you can use nolva to combat gyno throughout cycle. An AI is a more traditional method of controlling estrogen sides during cycle however.

off hand...how much prop are you running?

[peptideguy12]

prop 125mg a day tren ace 75-100mg a day 40mg a dbol a day and I've got some equipose might throw some of that in the mix too

[MMArmour]

damn son. those are pretty big numbers. not huge but pretty up there. **** the EQ. you dont need. But consider yourself gyno prone @ those dosages at only one week in. Make sure your controlling the estrogen before progesterone sides become an issue from the 19 nor. If control the first one, you control the second. ur PCT all set to go?

[peptideguy12]

yeah I got my hcg and everything I need tamoxi letro havent really researched it or decided exactly how I'm gonna do it but I've got everything I need so when it gets close to that time I'll figure it out Im not even sure how long I'm going to stay on the juice for at least 12 weeks though I got lots so well see

so at these dosages would you take 20mg of nolva eod?? also Im only going to do the dbol for a month or so


thanks man

[MMArmour]

im going to level with you here and just say i disagree with your approach. I prefer to have this all planned out before hand but hey...who i am i to tell you? Letro is a pretty aggressive choice for pct but if you do go ahead with it make sure u read up and have some nolva for coming off letro (avoiding estrogen rebound). you need a more solid PCT plan bro.

as for your gyno symptoms:
id start with nolva 20mg EOD and if that doesnt help then more to 20mg ED and upward if need be.

If i thought youd listen id probably tell you to rethink this whole thing but just for curiosity sake...what are your stats?

[peptideguy12]

5'8 195 13% bodyfat

I haven't done a real cycle ever man I know guys on here will jump down my throat for that but hey what can ya do I took anadrol at 100mg a day for about 45 days with 120mcg igf-1 l3 and I don't know exactly how much even its been a while but lots of deca I've taken 800-1000 mg a week of test enathate for prob 8 weeks maybe longer sust for a while winny at 100mg a day for a few months one summer just random unorganized cycles man and usually never with any pct some hcg taken randomly lol this time im just gonna see what happens I guess im thinking 12-16 weeks of the prop and tren ace and then hcg and i guess nolva i prob wont touch the letro i just have it if gyno gets real bad ill take it otherwise I thinks its too strong I've gotta chart here that tells me how to take the hcg when im at the end of my cycle and slowly come off the juice so I'll do that and i will listen to and take any advice other than lowering my dosage unless its for sure gonna give me bitch tits lol

[MMArmour]

well the thing about gear is that MORE is not necessarily BETTER. Look...im telling you now i recommend stopping right now but since i know you wont. heres how id do it but FOR THE RECORD..I RECOMMEND STOPPING RIGHT NOW.

1-10wk Prop @ 125mg ED (these are high numbers and I AT LEAST recommend you come down to more reasonable territory)
1-10wk Tren A @ 100mg ED (same as above)
And since youre already seeing gyno symptoms
1-10wk L-Dex @ .50mg EOD (if this is not adequate, dose higher)

12-16 weeks on these short/fast acting esters is just overkill.

PCT will need to be fairly aggressive here.
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Hcg (im a fan of this stuff)

im sure the guys will add some input here. PCT is not my specialty with such high dosing

Id have nolva and caber (cabergoline, a dopamine agonist, look it up) on hand. If you dont..get some. This will help you combat any potential sides youre going to run into Including prolactin gyno and any potential ED problems related to the 19nor (Tren A). Nolva, clomid, and any SERM or AI will have NO STOPPING POWER if you run into prolactin sides (lactating from your nipples etc) and will need caber. But if you control your estrogen levels NOW then the prolactin sides will not be a problem.

Forget the dbol. you dont need it. Forget the EQ aswell. Youre swimming with enough hormones to juice two guys. you dont need more

and again...i recommend you stop now. At least tell me you arent 18 or some young high school kid...PLEASE???

[peptideguy12]

I'm 24 bro so no stress and I'm going to lower the dosage you think half that so say roughly

50mg of test prop and 50mg of tren ace ED

will cause me gyno issues? and yeah i gotta talk to my buddy and get some caber for sure. How common are these prolactin sides? Like is it something that has to treated (caber) or does it only effect some people at higher doses? Does the PCT plan change at these doses or do I do the same? I'd really rather not take clomid I've got buddies big mean scary dudes that get so emotional on that shit like a 17 year old girl lol

thanks for your help man much appreciated

[MMArmour]

Im glad you were reasonable bro. That makes me feel ALOT better.

id go:
1-10wk Prop @ 75mg/ED (or EOD. some guys favor either or. for simplicity since youre pinning ED anyways with the Tren A just go ED)
1-10wk Tren A @ 50mg/ED

and yes that pct i outlined for you will work fine with this cycle.
And prolactin gyno is pretty common occurance when messing with 19 nors (tren, deca, etc) and is nothing to mess with. Get the caber. Also if youve heard of deca dick then you should know the same can happen with tren. caber can patch up your boner and have him up to speed and good as new in no time if you run into erection problems.)

Since youre lowering dosages it is POSSIBLE your gyno symptoms may not reappear and not require use of estrogen control on cycle. So use your nolva now till the gyno symptoms disappear. Re set your cycle with the dosages I just gave you and see what happens. If gyno symptoms return then combat them as I outlined before.

Glad youre being reasonable and listening up to good advice.

[peptideguy12]

Thanks for everything man I really appreciate the advice

Take care and stay strong

[MMArmour]

For sure. any other problems dont hesitate to come back and ask us. Smartest gear guys around are wandering these forums. Guys with knowledge way above my own. STAY SAFE BRO.

oh...and dont get bitch tits that leak milk haha