ACORN at it again!!!

[Bull_Nuts]

It will be interesting to see how all this shakes out . . .
Personally, my money is on ACORN. I don't know much about them, but I do know that FoxNews has a tendency to distort news, and is untrustworthy.

Time will tell.

Yea...you said that...

Yah, but I spell better than you do, and I'll bet my truck gets more miles per gallon than yours does.

Yo Mama!

Here's another letter sent by ACORN lawyers to FoxNews:
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http://acorn.org/fileadmin/Press_Rel...les_091109.pdf

September 11, 2009
By Fax: (212) 301-4223
Roger Ailes
President
FOX News
1211 Avenue of the Americas
New York, New York 10036
Re: “News” Stories about ACORN Staff
Giving Tax Advice to a “Prostitute”
Dear Mr. Ailes:
I write as a follow-up to my letter of September 10, 2009 concerning FOX News’ publication
of videotapes purporting to show ACORN staffers giving tax advice to an actor posing as a
prostitute.
After looking at the law, it is our conclusion that the filming and broadcast of the conversations
at the Baltimore ACORN offices violates §10-402(a)(1) of the Courts and Judicial Proceedings
Article of the Maryland Code, which makes it unlawful to wilfully intercept, endeavor to
intercept, or procure any other person to intercept any oral conversation unless all parties to the
communication consent. Im sure this statute exists to keep sensitive information private like bank acount information and ss #'s...but the dirty lawyers from the ACLU will most definately use this loophole get out of this one FOX News, the filmmakers, and the producer of the videos have
clearly violated this statute. It is also our belief that the tape broadcast today, involving
ACORN’s Washington, D.C. office, violates §23-542 of the D.C. Code in that the conversation
was recorded for no purpose other than to cause injury.Because costing tax payers more money causes no harm what so ever...
ACORN and the women whose conversations were taped have authorized us to commence an
action for damages and injunctive relief addressed to FOX News, the producer of the videos, and

the filmmakers. We demand, in advance of that litigation, that FOX immediately withdraw the

videos from the air and from the internet until a court rules on the lawfulness of the distribution
and broadcast of the videos.
Very truly yours,

Arthur Z. Schwartz

see bold

Here is the text of one letter ACORN lawyers sent to FoxNews:
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http://acorn.org/fileadmin/Press_Rel...les_091009.pdf

SCHWARTZ, LICHTEN

& BRIGHT, PC

Attorneys at Law

275 Seventh Avenue, 17th Floor
New York, New York 10001
tel: 212 228 6320
fax: 212 358 1353

Arthur Z. Schwartz

*

Stuart Lichten
Daniel R. Bright

*Also admitted in Pennsylvania

September 10, 2009
By Fax: (212) 556-8219


Roger Ailes
President
FOX News
1211 Avenue of the Americas
New York, New York 10036

Re: “News” Stories about ACORN Staff
Giving Tax Advice to a Prostitute

Dear Mr. Ailes:

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (“ACORN”) has begun a careful
investigation into the doctored videotape being played by FOX News, on line and on the air,
allegedly showing an ACORN staffer in Baltimore giving dubious tax advice to people claiming
to be a pimp and a prostitute.

It is very clear that the questions being asked are a voiceover, placed on the tape by the film
maker. The staffer involved claims that the questions she was asked were not the questions
asked by the voiceover online. In fact, she denies ever giving tax advice to people identifying
themselves as a pimp and a prostitute.Sure she does! What other excuse would they use....ugh...the representitive's body was invaded by an alien sent by fox because if it were actually her she would have never said such a thing...

These tapes were clearly filmed several months ago Because everyone know to get dubbing coupled with perfect gestures it takes several months to edit. They are not “news”; they are a form of
“art.” FOX News certainly had time, if it believed that the tapes had news value, to ask ACORN
to review the tapes and to comment about their accuracy.
It is ACORN’s position, at this time, that the videotape is doctored and that the voiceovers
change the real dialog. We demand, as counsel to ACORN, that FOX cease publication of these
tapes unless it can produce proof that the conversations actually took place.as if audio and video wernt enough

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Please be aware that we have received reports about people entering ACORN and ACORN
Housing offices, identifying themselves as pimps and prostitutes, and asking for assistance to
accomplish something unlawful. ACORN staff has been directed to turn such people away and
to file a police report if possible. Our tax preparers and those who assist people with housing
problems are given training that emphasizes the organization’s strong policy against assisting
fraud and dishonesty, and our policy of revealing fraud where ever it is discovered. The
Attorney General of Florida applauded ACORN’s efforts in that vein yesterday when
announcing the arrests of voter registration canvassers who committed fraud against ACORN
and the State of Florida.

We would like to avoid litigation with FOXreally...why would they want to avoid litigation if they are dubbed videos?, and ask that you take your responsibility as a news
gathering organization seriously. Your failure to do so does a disservice to those who view your
programming.

Very truly yours,
Arthur Z. Schwartz
AZS:dr

cc: Bertha Lewis

Scott Levinson

see bold

Well, well, well . . .
Here's some interesting trivia I've discovered . . . SO????

A Yahoo search of ACORN turned up this interesting website:
www.rottenacorn.com
which, as you might suspect, is a rant against ACORN. Another websearch of its phone number showed that it belongs to the Washington lobby office of:

The Employment Policies Institute (EPI) is one of several front groups created by Berman & Co., a Washington, DC public affairs firm owned by Rick Berman, who lobbies for the restaurant, hotel, alcoholic beverage and tobacco industries. While most commonly referred to as EPI, it is registered as a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization under the name of Employment Policies Institute Foundation. In its annual Internal Revenue Service return, EPI states that it "shares office space with Berman & Company on a cost pass through basis". [1]
(see http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...cies_Institute for more).

Evidently the EPI people are paid by restaurants, hotels, and other businesses that employ lots of minimum-wage workers, and since one of the most vocal advocates of minimum-wage increases is ACORN, this Washington lobbyist organization is busying itself spreading as much dirt as possible about poor folk's advocate.

Always trying to hold people down...is this counting the billions of dollars spent on welfare???

o...one last thing

and i obviously dont give a fvck how many miles per gallon my truck gets or how gigantic of a "carbon footprint" it leaves.

[Tock]

[quote=Bull_Nuts;4861053]Always trying to hold people down...is this counting the billions of dollars spent on welfare???[/quote]
I'm surprised you'd support Washington lobbyists who prostitute their persuasive talents to support industries that pollute the environment with mercury.
http://www.mercuryfacts.com/

I'm surprised that you'd support Washington lobbyists who are paid by special interests to perpetuate misinformation regarding bad eating habits
http://www.obesitymyths.com/
and pass on BS about consumer groups
http://www.activistcash.com/

and encourages Americans to eat more trans-fats
http://www.trans-fatfacts.com/
Trans fats, especially those found in partially hydrogenated oils, have been maligned by food police groups and the media as "toxic," "phantom fats." But the facts don't back that up. In fact, trans fats have been a part of the American diet since the early 1900s and they are hardly toxic.

These people are professional persuaders, paid by wealthy industries that need to maintain the status quo to stay profitable. Now the same bunch of lobbyists are being paid to do an ax job on ACORN, and they'll use the same level of ethics and truth with them as they do for trans-fats and their other rich clients.

I guess you'd rather trash ACORN than admit that the Washington lobbyists might not be 100% truthful. I suppose such an attitude would easily coincide with a claim like,

and i obviously dont give a fvck how many miles per gallon my truck gets or how gigantic of a "carbon footprint" it leaves.

Children will one day inherit this planet after you're done with it. There's no way to persuade you and millions of other people to treat it better, and I have no doubt that because of that, the next generation will be left with a worse place to live than what you had.

Oh well.

[TITANIUM]

Bull Nuts, see, you had to go getting Tock all riled up and shit.LOL

And I spell worse than both of you.........


Best

T

[Bull_Nuts]

[QUOTE=Tock;4861132]

Always trying to hold people down...is this counting the billions of dollars spent on welfare???[/quote]
I'm surprised you'd support Washington lobbyists who prostitute their persuasive talents to support industries that pollute the environment with mercury.i have never claimed to support "washington lobbyists" yet you obviously support a group that has been caught with their pants down more than once
http://www.mercuryfacts.com/

I'm surprised that you'd support Washington lobbyists who are paid by special interests to perpetuate misinformation regarding bad eating habits
http://www.obesitymyths.com/
and pass on BS about consumer groups
http://www.activistcash.com/

and encourages Americans to eat more trans-fatswhich, for the most part has been removed from all fast-food chains
http://www.trans-fatfacts.com/
Trans fats, especially those found in partially hydrogenated oils, have been maligned by food police groups and the media as "toxic," "phantom fats." But the facts don't back that up. In fact, trans fats have been a part of the American diet since the early 1900s and they are hardly toxic.
but more than that....what the hell does this have to do with the topic of this thread???

These people are professional persuaders, paid by wealthy industries that need to maintain the status quo to stay profitable. Now the same bunch of lobbyists are being paid to do an ax job on ACORNpoor ACORN...because they havn't benefited from their disidence, and they'll use the same level of ethics and truth with them as they do for trans-fats and their other rich clients.

I guess you'd rather trash ACORN than admit that the Washington lobbyists might not be 100% truthful. I suppose such an attitude would easily coincide with a claim like,
Children will one day inherit this planet after you're done with it. like a collapsed economy partially due to your precious ACORN would be just dandy in a "healthy" earth(if it is actualy unhealthy) There's no way to persuade you and millions of other people to treat it better, and I have no doubt that because of that, the next generation will be left with a worse place to live than what you had. Except for yours(children)....mainly because semen squirted in your a$$hole wont get you pregnant


Oh well.

lol...yea...."oh well"


see bold

[Tock]

Well, if you want to own me . . .




Anyway, the whole point of my post is that you can't tell what's going on with this situation (or most situations, really) just from listening to one biased group of politicians. Sometimes you're just as lost when you listen to two sides of a situation, because a lot of times, neither tribe of "true beleivers" has a clue. And then you have to look for alternative explanations, or go digging around for your own answers.

You and I can hurl invectives at each other for weeks and months on end, and keep on at it until the earth opens up underneath us and swallows up whole. That won't resolve anything. Tossing theories or allegations or idiotic BS that we hear on AM talk radio won't help much either.

I get the impression that all of us here on this board, liberal and conservative and moderate and wackos alike, are all being played by Washington insiders. Non-elected folks far outnumber our elected representatives, and it is they who really run the show in Washington. Lobbyists, lawyers, special interest groups, fund raisers, bureaucrats interested in keeping their jobs, officials interested in expanding their control, newspeople who treat their profession as entertainment for fools instead of what it should be.

The unhappy consequence of all this is
you and I and other folks get focused on these "small potato" issues (this one counts for a few million $$$) and our attention is diverted away from the billions and trillions that the big multi-national corporations pocket. We end up paying more and more and more in taxes while you and I try to figure out what a couple of bottom-level clerks said.

We're really screwed, y'know it? We don't focus enough on the big stuff. We don't really know who's doing what, or who's paying who to get some media star to say about current issues. They are yanking our chains, and we are dancing the way they want us to.

You may think that I'm screwed because I'm gay,
but I assure you, we both are.

[TITANIUM]

Tock, I am truly impressed by this.You actually see what the big picture is.

You are absolutely right about this.

There is no rebuttal.

You have my respect and admiration.

I thought it was just me, but I see that others are paying attention.

Best

T

Well, if you want to own me . . .




Anyway, the whole point of my post is that you can't tell what's going on with this situation (or most situations, really) just from listening to one biased group of politicians. Sometimes you're just as lost when you listen to two sides of a situation, because a lot of times, neither tribe of "true beleivers" has a clue. And then you have to look for alternative explanations, or go digging around for your own answers.

You and I can hurl invectives at each other for weeks and months on end, and keep on at it until the earth opens up underneath us and swallows up whole. That won't resolve anything. Tossing theories or allegations or idiotic BS that we hear on AM talk radio won't help much either.

I get the impression that all of us here on this board, liberal and conservative and moderate and wackos alike, are all being played by Washington insiders. Non-elected folks far outnumber our elected representatives, and it is they who really run the show in Washington. Lobbyists, lawyers, special interest groups, fund raisers, bureaucrats interested in keeping their jobs, officials interested in expanding their control, newspeople who treat their profession as entertainment for fools instead of what it should be.

The unhappy consequence of all this is
you and I and other folks get focused on these "small potato" issues (this one counts for a few million $$$) and our attention is diverted away from the billions and trillions that the big multi-national corporations pocket. We end up paying more and more and more in taxes while you and I try to figure out what a couple of bottom-level clerks said.

We're really screwed, y'know it? We don't focus enough on the big stuff. We don't really know who's doing what, or who's paying who to get some media star to say about current issues. They are yanking our chains, and we are dancing the way they want us to.

You may think that I'm screwed because I'm gay,
but I assure you, we both are.

[mho]

If the Acorn employees are innocent why were they fired?

[Bull_Nuts]

If the Acorn employees are innocent why were they fired?

exactly

[Tock]

If the Acorn employees are innocent why were they fired?

We can speculate.

Maybe ACORN management fired the employees for embarrassing them, or maybe they were fired for transgressing established procedures, or maybe they were fired as sacrifices to the gods of politics. Maybe they were absolutely innocent, and the videos were edited to make ACORN look bad, but management fired the employees for some other reason.

Who really knows, other than the people who really know?
I've seen crowds of people here in Texas get arrested, tried, and convicted for drug crimes they were innocent of (some cops used powdered sheet rock for the drugs).

My guess is that sooner or later it will all become public information. Or some version of it. Stay tuned.

[Tock]

If the Acorn employees are innocent why were they fired?

I know it's late, but I got to thinking about my previous reply to this question.

Sure, some of the videos I've seen wouldn't win the clerks the "employee of the year" award. But then, if we're gonna look at this in terms of guilt and innocence,
what law, exactly, did they break?

Did they actually sign anybody up under false pretenses, or did they merely give bad advice?

[Bull_Nuts]

Well, if you want to own me . . . FUNNY!




Anyway, the whole point of my post is that you can't tell what's going on with this situation (or most situations, really) just from listening to one biased group of politicians. Sometimes you're just as lost when you listen to two sides of a situation, because a lot of times, neither tribe of "true beleivers" has a clue. And then you have to look for alternative explanations, or go digging around for your own answers.

You and I can hurl invectives at each other for weeks and months on end, and keep on at it until the earth opens up underneath us and swallows up whole. That won't resolve anything. Tossing theories or allegations or idiotic BS that we hear on AM talk radio won't help much either.

I get the impression that all of us here on this board, liberal and conservative and moderate and wackos alike, are all being played by Washington insiders. Non-elected folks far outnumber our elected representatives, and it is they who really run the show in Washington. Lobbyists, lawyers, special interest groups, fund raisers, bureaucrats interested in keeping their jobs, officials interested in expanding their control, newspeople who treat their profession as entertainment for fools instead of what it should be.

The unhappy consequence of all this is
you and I and other folks get focused on these "small potato" issues (this one counts for a few million $$$) and our attention is diverted away from the billions and trillions that the big multi-national corporations pocket. We end up paying more and more and more in taxes while you and I try to figure out what a couple of bottom-level clerks said.

We're really screwed, y'know it? We don't focus enough on the big stuff. We don't really know who's doing what, or who's paying who to get some media star to say about current issues. They are yanking our chains, and we are dancing the way they want us to.

You may think that I'm screwed because I'm gay,
but I assure you, we both are.

For once, Tock, I agree with you...