I`m not sure I can bring myself to cycle without tren right now. i lvoe the stuff so much lol. I really just cant figure out why some people swear by EQ and so many hate it. If i was going to use Test and Eq only I would surely use a very high EQ dose.If you want to run EQ i'd suggest not running tren with it. You aren't going to notice anything form the EQ with tren in the cycle LOL. If you want to try it..... try 800mg's/wk for no less than 14 weeks.