winstrol with fat burners

[syd-bloke]

losers never cycled shit giving wrong advice. You dont need pct for winstrol (stanazol) alone. It doesnt shut you down to the same level as test/deca/sus (there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause issue). Your body will recover by itself. Besides, winny by its own is a waste anyway.

Also if you take winny by it own, you can say goodbye to your libido. Hence my original advise to stack it with test or sus, then you would need nolva for your pct.

just google winstrol and pct. Here is a sample:

"There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain"... Source website

[D7M]

losers never cycled shit giving wrong advice. You dont need pct for winstrol (stanazol) alone. It doesnt shut you down to the same level as test/deca/sus (there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause issue). Your body will recover by itself. Besides, winny by its own is a waste anyway.

Also if you take winny by it own, you can say goodbye to your libido. Hence my original advise to stack it with test or sus, then you would need nolva for your pct.

just google winstrol and pct. Here is a sample:

"There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain"...

Nice attitude.

Anyway, shut down is shut down, my friend. It doesn't matter if you say winny won't shut you down as hard as, say, tren.

you're still shut down, and so will still need a pct!

[diamond]

Nice attitude.

Anyway, shut down is shut down, my friend. It doesn't matter if you say winny won't shut you down as hard as, say, tren.

you're still shut down, and so will still need a pct!

i kno a guy that did winny /tren cycle he had no shut dwn and didnt do pct.. and was fine. odd eh

im dont sayin its right tho... just weird...

[WARMachine]

i kno a guy that did winny /tren cycle he had no shut dwn and didnt do pct.. and was fine. odd eh

im dont sayin its right tho... just weird...

Really? Did he do bloodwork? Did you read it? Can you even interpret bloodwork?

[skinnykenney]

Really? Did he do bloodwork? Did you read it? Can you even interpret bloodwork?

you are definately one of the biggest,(well I don't want to get in trouble so i will refrain)on this forum!

[syd-bloke]

Nice attitude.

Anyway, shut down is shut down, my friend. It doesn't matter if you say winny won't shut you down as hard as, say, tren.

you're still shut down, and so will still need a pct!

Show me one guy who gained mass by using winny alone! winny doesnt give you the same effect as testosterone. This is based on years of research. Since winny is used massively by body builders, they made this assumption that you need pct after winny (alone) just to be safe. It like the time that everybody thought the earth was flat!

i kno a guy that did winny /tren cycle he had no shut dwn and didnt do pct.. and was fine. odd eh

Well, Tren is prone to releasing estrogen hence no gyno. Here is a description on Tren from Steroid.com:

"Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention."

Tren has many other side effects. As I said before, as soon as you take any kind of anabolic steroid with winny, you need to plan a decent pct.

This will confirm my point, for the sake of being safe, regardless of who say what, planning a pct after winny alone is an insurance policy for people who are not sure about winny.

Again, no one should take winny by its own which would eliminate this debate anyway!

[D7M]

i kno a guy that did winny /tren cycle he had no shut dwn and didnt do pct.. and was fine. odd eh

im dont sayin its right tho... just weird...

I'll have to second what War said above.

How exactly do you know this guy wasn't shut down?

I can assure you if he had legit tren, he was shut down.

Show me one guy who gained mass by using winny alone! winny doesnt give you the same effect as testosterone. This is based on years of research. Since winny is used massively by body builders, they made this assumption that you need pct after winny (alone) just to be safe. It like the time that everybody thought the earth was flat!

I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing whether winny will shut you down,

not whether you can gain mass of it?

[diamond]

I'll have to second what War said above.

How exactly do you know this guy wasn't shut down?

I can assure you if he had legit tren, he was shut down.



I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing whether winny will shut you down,

not whether you can gain mass of it?

I dated him! LMAO and he sais he never does pct...
and he's never used test b4. only winny, tren that i kno of. he said he nvr did test, dbol or deca..

he does blood wrk all thie time.. right now hes good.. b4 he was good too. had a kid in btween cycles... (way b4 i was with him)

i dnt get it either..

[Lazytron]

for the sake of being safe, regardless of who say what, planning a pct after winny alone is an insurance policy for people who are not sure about winny.

Again, no one should take winny by its own which would eliminate this debate anyway!

[SuperLift]

Show me one guy who gained mass by using winny alone! winny doesnt give you the same effect as testosterone. This is based on years of research. Since winny is used massively by body builders, they made this assumption that you need pct after winny (alone) just to be safe. It like the time that everybody thought the earth was flat!



Well, Tren is prone to releasing estrogen hence no gyno. Here is a description on Tren from Steroid.com:

"Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention."

Tren has many other side effects. As I said before, as soon as you take any kind of anabolic steroid with winny, you need to plan a decent pct.

This will confirm my point, for the sake of being safe, regardless of who say what, planning a pct after winny alone is an insurance policy for people who are not sure about winny.

Again, no one should take winny by its own which would eliminate this debate anyway!

Bro youre confused..... everything you say is 100% wrong

[syd-bloke]

Bro youre confused..... everything you say is 100% wrong

Hey BRO! Actually, most of he thing i said was copied and pasted from here:

http://www.steroid.com/Winstrol.php

So sad that you are a member of this forum but you havent read steroid.com?

Oh while your reading steroid.com (you know,the site that you are a member of?!), you might want to read some other site, lets say like (i s t e r o i d s .com), here is what they say about winny alone:

Winstrol alone does not really produce any estrogen-related side effects since it is not an aromatizing steroid. Source: http://www.*********.com/Winstrol/Wi...e_Effects.html

Oh i guess every one is 100% wrong everywhere else right?

Also if all i said was wrong, means you disagrea with stacking winny with test for better results? so you pro taking winny solo?

Let it go, i have.

[gixxerboy1]

Show me one guy who gained mass by using winny alone! winny doesnt give you the same effect as testosterone. This is based on years of research. Since winny is used massively by body builders, they made this assumption that you need pct after winny (alone) just to be safe. It like the time that everybody thought the earth was flat!



Well, Tren is prone to releasing estrogen hence no gyno. Here is a description on Tren from Steroid.com:

"Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention."

Tren has many other side effects. As I said before, as soon as you take any kind of anabolic steroid with winny, you need to plan a decent pct.

This will confirm my point, for the sake of being safe, regardless of who say what, planning a pct after winny alone is an insurance policy for people who are not sure about winny.

Again, no one should take winny by its own which would eliminate this debate anyway!

have you heard of progesterone

[chuckt12345]

losers never cycled shit giving wrong advice. You dont need pct for winstrol (stanazol) alone. It doesnt shut you down to the same level as test/deca/sus (there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause issue). Your body will recover by itself. Besides, winny by its own is a waste anyway.

Also if you take winny by it own, you can say goodbye to your libido. Hence my original advise to stack it with test or sus, then you would need nolva for your pct.

just google winstrol and pct. Here is a sample:

"There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain"... Source website

Id say you have to atleast run a serm afterwards because i have seen a few people develop a little gyno from it but i dont see much shut down on it.

[romo6]

losers never cycled shit giving wrong advice. You dont need pct for winstrol (stanazol) alone. It doesnt shut you down to the same level as test/deca/sus (there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause issue). Your body will recover by itself. Besides, winny by its own is a waste anyway.

Also if you take winny by it own, you can say goodbye to your libido. Hence my original advise to stack it with test or sus, then you would need nolva for your pct.

just google winstrol and pct. Here is a sample:

"There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain"... Source website

The reason you say goodbye to your libido is because,your SHUT DOWN.

[WARMachine]

losers never cycled shit giving wrong advice. You dont need pct for winstrol (stanazol) alone. It doesnt shut you down to the same level as test/deca/sus (there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause issue). Your body will recover by itself. Besides, winny by its own is a waste anyway.

(Im not even going to waste my time pointing out all the things wrong with this statement. My tolerence for ignorance is short today.)

Also if you take winny by it own, you can say goodbye to your libido. Hence my original advise to stack it with test or sus, then you would need nolva for your pct. (Gee that sounds an awful lot like having your HPTA shut down. )

just google winstrol and pct. Here is a sample:

"There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain"... Source website

(Winstrol can) aromatize.

BOLDS for everyone else.