You'll want to read this!

[hockeyguy]

I've always been very interested in what Ronnie has to say. For a guy like me I don't know any one else personally that works out hard so I try to follow some advice from Ronnie. Thanks bud.
From what most people say on here when running test e you should run for 10-12 weeks then pct for about 4 then time on = time off before you start again. Your saying 8 week cycles with 1-2 weeks off before you start up again...do you do any PCT during the 2 weeks off? Thanks for the tips

[hockeyguy]

I've always been very interested in what Ronnie has to say. For a guy like me I don't know any one else personally that works out hard so I try to follow some advice from Ronnie. Thanks bud.
From what most people say on here when running test e you should run for 10-12 weeks then pct for about 4 then time on = time off before you start again. Your saying 8 week cycles with 1-2 weeks off before you start up again...do you do any PCT during the 2 weeks off? Thanks for the tips

Also sent you a PM on this as I'm Planning to start in 2 weeks

[Ronnie Rowland]

I've always been very interested in what Ronnie has to say. For a guy like me I don't know any one else personally that works out hard so I try to follow some advice from Ronnie. Thanks bud.
From what most people say on here when running test e you should run for 10-12 weeks then pct for about 4 then time on = time off before you start again. Your saying 8 week cycles with 1-2 weeks off before you start up again...do you do any PCT during the 2 weeks off? Thanks for the tips

You can run test enanthate for 12 weeks or longer but at the 8 week point you would need to increase the dosages to continue making noticeable gains. It's not well understood as to why steroid cycles stop working well after 8 weeks but according to William Llewelln in his book ANABOLICS 9TH EDITION-" it's believed to be related to the new metabolic limits placed on muscle cells under the influece of a certain dosage of steroids, not insensitivity to the AAS. Classic downregulation does not occur with these drugs and even if it did, rotating steroids would not prevent it".

In regards to time on= time off. Thats is fine but you will be in a constant state of gaining muscle then losing muscle. It's called YO-YOING! You cannot come off of all drugs for that length of time and expect to maintain your gains. I have learned that the body will hold onto all of it's size (minus water weight) for about 2 weeks.

In regards to the 2 week deload you can do any PCT during the 2 weeks off or bridge with a base like testosterone and/or smaller amounts of all the slow acting drugs used in the reload. The goal is to hold onto all mass while reducing anabolic hormones in the body, then come back using more anabolics during reload to make continued progress. More training volume and protein would also be needed when returning to the 8 week reload.

[ridedivefx]

You can run test enanthate for 12 weeks or longer but at the 8 week point you would need to increase the dosages to continue making noticeable gains. It's not well understood as to why steroid cycles stop working well after 8 weeks but according to William Llewelln in his book ANABOLICS 9TH EDITION-" it's believed to be related to the new metabolic limits placed on muscle cells under the influece of a certain dosage of steroids, not insensitivity to the AAS. Classic downregulation does not occur with these drugs and even if it did, rotating steroids would not prevent it".

In regards to time on= time off. Thats is fine but you will be in a constant state of gaining muscle then losing muscle. It's called YO-YOING! You cannot come off of all drugs for that length of time and expect to maintain your gains. I have learned that the body will hold onto all of it's size (minus water weight) for about 2 weeks.

In regards to the 2 week deload you can do any PCT during the 2 weeks off or bridge with a base like testosterone and/or smaller amounts of all the slow acting drugs used in the reload. The goal is to hold onto all mass while reducing anabolic hormones in the body, then come back using more anabolics during reload to make continued progress. More training volume and protein would also be needed when returning to the 8 week reload.

Great Read!

So how long can I stay on this Blast and 2week off period? can this continue entire year

Will this regimen permanently shut down natty test production?

Can any combination of AS be used during 8 weeks?

What other side effects might this regiment have....

I have just been drilled Time ON = Time OFF for the longest time so its a lil hard to grasp this concept

thnx

[bobofet]

Great Read!

So how long can I stay on this Blast and 2week off period? can this continue entire year

Will this regimen permanently shut down natty test production?

Can any combination of AS be used during 8 weeks?

What other side effects might this regiment have....

I have just been drilled Time ON = Time OFF for the longest time so its a lil hard to grasp this concept

thnx

same here

[Ronnie Rowland]

great read!

So how long can i stay on this blast and 2week off period? Can this continue entire year you can keep blasting until you get burned out. Once you burn out do a 1-2 week prime. The prime can consist of staying out of the gym altogether or coming in and training light with low volume, low intensity and high reps.

Will this regimen permanently shut down natty test production? it's impossible to say because everyone is different but the answer
would be no if you do a pct during 2 week deload instead of a bridge.

can any combination of as be used during 8 weeks? absolutely!what other side effects might this regiment have....everyone's biggest concern should be heart health! Hemocrit levels can rise during aas use and cause a stroke-hence the reason some give blood every 8 weeks during deloads. High blood pressure is a concern as it can cause left ventricle hypertrophy. Using too much of any steroid, using too many orals and using to many anti-es are a concern as they can accelerate plaque build up in the arteries.

i have just been drilled time on = time off for the longest time so its a lil hard to grasp this concept time on = time off is okay, it's just not going to provide the gains that many people are looking for. I'm not against time on = time off, i am just being honest.thnx

answers above in caps.

[ridedivefx]

answers above in caps.

Thanks Ronnie

[hockeyguy]

You can run test enanthate for 12 weeks or longer but at the 8 week point you would need to increase the dosages to continue making noticeable gains. It's not well understood as to why steroid cycles stop working well after 8 weeks but according to William Llewelln in his book ANABOLICS 9TH EDITION-" it's believed to be related to the new metabolic limits placed on muscle cells under the influece of a certain dosage of steroids, not insensitivity to the AAS. Classic downregulation does not occur with these drugs and even if it did, rotating steroids would not prevent it".

In regards to time on= time off. Thats is fine but you will be in a constant state of gaining muscle then losing muscle. It's called YO-YOING! You cannot come off of all drugs for that length of time and expect to maintain your gains. I have learned that the body will hold onto all of it's size (minus water weight) for about 2 weeks.

In regards to the 2 week deload you can do any PCT during the 2 weeks off or bridge with a base like testosterone and/or smaller amounts of all the slow acting drugs used in the reload. The goal is to hold onto all mass while reducing anabolic hormones in the body, then come back using more anabolics during reload to make continued progress. More training volume and protein would also be needed when returning to the 8 week reload.

Hey Ronnie thanks. I'll be giving this a try in two weeks

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Guys, I'll try to answer all questions in this thread and get to my pm's on thursday.

thank you,

Ronnie

[PRO 75]

Ronnie wht would u recommend my dosage be for the 8week blast?

i have super test 100mg/cyp 100mg/enan 50mg/prop

[Coca Cola]

Ronnie

When we train our back, our rear delts should be hammered significantly right?
So wouldn't it be better to train our rear delts on the same day with our back day (to finish off after doing the heavy back work)?

What do you think of close grip bench press (I dont think you ever recommend this exercise in any of your posts)? Some say its the best mass builder for triceps?

Also since you're on HRT, do you use HCG periodically? or not at all?

If you do what kind of protocol do you follow? large dose for 2-3 weeks a few times per year? or you do the small dose for a very long time? how many weeks on hcg and how many weeks off hcg per year?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie

when we train our back, our rear delts should be hammered significantly right?some but like the biceps they need their own workout.
So wouldn't it be better to train our rear delts on the same day with our back day (to finish off after doing the heavy back work)? i do rear delts after back

what do you think of close grip bench press (i dont think you ever recommend this exercise in any of your posts)? Some say its the best mass builder for triceps? it's good if done right. Some prefer the dumbbell version where palms are facing one another.
also since you're on hrt, do you use hcg periodically? Or not at all? never!
if you do what kind of protocol do you follow? Large dose for 2-3 weeks a few times per year? Or you do the small dose for a very long time? How many weeks on hcg and how many weeks off hcg per year?

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[joegunner]

You can run test enanthate for 12 weeks or longer but at the 8 week point you would need to increase the dosages to continue making noticeable gains. It's not well understood as to why steroid cycles stop working well after 8 weeks but according to William Llewelln in his book ANABOLICS 9TH EDITION-" it's believed to be related to the new metabolic limits placed on muscle cells under the influece of a certain dosage of steroids, not insensitivity to the AAS. Classic downregulation does not occur with these drugs and even if it did, rotating steroids would not prevent it".

In regards to time on= time off. Thats is fine but you will be in a constant state of gaining muscle then losing muscle. It's called YO-YOING! You cannot come off of all drugs for that length of time and expect to maintain your gains. I have learned that the body will hold onto all of it's size (minus water weight) for about 2 weeks.

In regards to the 2 week deload you can do any PCT during the 2 weeks off or bridge with a base like testosterone and/or smaller amounts of all the slow acting drugs used in the reload. The goal is to hold onto all mass while reducing anabolic hormones in the body, then come back using more anabolics during reload to make continued progress. More training volume and protein would also be needed when returning to the 8 week reload.

This was written a while ago, however many people suggest running test e at 12 weeks, would it be as effective running a cycle for the 8 weeks? at a 500mg a week?

[Cronos]

So I have a serious question for you, Ron. Anyone else with lots of gym experience please feel free to chime in. This has been bugging me for the last couple days. I work at a very large gym chain across north america, and at my location I recently met a couple individuals who have successfully (no intent of their own) made me feel pretty low about myself.

Person A: 42 year old male, just placed in the top 4 in one of the worlds biggest "natural" bodybuilding shows. 5'10, 190 SHREDDED. I mean 11 different veins just in his bi's and feathering in his back shredded. GREAT physique, you get it. I got to know this guy over the last while and we get on the topic of juice. Swears up and down he's all natural, and NEVER even touched a steroid. Now, I'm pretty open and honest with my gym buddies after we get to know each other for a while, I mean we're all in this together so no point in juicing and everybody know it, and then me saying "uh, no, no way man, never touched it". when asked by one of my seasoned gym buddies. You just look like an idiot to me. On top of being in this shape, the guy pushes 315 on the bench at his weight and condition for reps! He's 42!

Person B: a 25 year old male I befriended who just happens to have that "perfect" structure for bodybuilding. Really tiny joints, swollen big round muscle bellies EVERYWHERE (wtf), around 8% bf, 5'10 194. On top of that, he's freakishly strong! 5 plate deads for 10! 4 plate squats for several sets of 8-10 AT THE END OF HIS LEG WORKOUT! after leg extensions, after leg press etc. 4 plate bench for 3. Again, swears on his mother's grave he's on NOTHING. On top of that, he tells me he only consumes 100g of carbs per day and 30g fats from fish oils, about 250g protein. Can he really look that swolen, be that freakishly strong at that weight with those tiny joints on those few carbs and calories and be CLEAN?!?

I sincerely hope for some honest answers and opinions here please, because I'm honest about what I'm on, the weights I move etc. and I don't even compare to these guys. To give you an idea of myself, I turn A LOT of heads my self (don't mean to brag, just trying to give some contrast here) and I'm only 180 at 5'7 about 8% bf. But I'm on stuff, and I admit and I'm no where near these 2 individuals. I've got a sloppy 335 bench AT BEST, 513 dead for 1, and 407 squat for 1. I've just kinda slipped into a bit of a depression about all this, I know it may sound silly. So lets hear your honest opinions. I mean, are any of you here like these 2 guys?

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

so i have a serious question for you, ron. Anyone else with lots of gym experience please feel free to chime in. This has been bugging me for the last couple days. I work at a very large gym chain across north america, and at my location i recently met a couple individuals who have successfully (no intent of their own) made me feel pretty low about myself.

Person a: 42 year old male, just placed in the top 4 in one of the worlds biggest "natural" bodybuilding shows. 5'10, 190 shredded. I mean 11 different veins just in his bi's and feathering in his back shredded. Great physique, you get it. I got to know this guy over the last while and we get on the topic of juice. Swears up and down he's all natural, and never even touched a steroid. Now, i'm pretty open and honest with my gym buddies after we get to know each other for a while, i mean we're all in this together so no point in juicing and everybody know it, and then me saying "uh, no, no way man, never touched it". When asked by one of my seasoned gym buddies. You just look like an idiot to me. On top of being in this shape, the guy pushes 315 on the bench at his weight and condition for reps! He's 42!

Person b: A 25 year old male i befriended who just happens to have that "perfect" structure for bodybuilding. Really tiny joints, swollen big round muscle bellies everywhere (wtf), around 8% bf, 5'10 194. On top of that, he's freakishly strong! 5 plate deads for 10! 4 plate squats for several sets of 8-10 at the end of his leg workout! After leg extensions, after leg press etc. 4 plate bench for 3. Again, swears on his mother's grave he's on nothing. On top of that, he tells me he only consumes 100g of carbs per day and 30g fats from fish oils, about 250g protein. Can he really look that swolen, be that freakishly strong at that weight with those tiny joints on those few carbs and calories and be clean?!?

I sincerely hope for some honest answers and opinions here please, because i'm honest about what i'm on, the weights i move etc. And i don't even compare to these guys. To give you an idea of myself, i turn a lot of heads my self (don't mean to brag, just trying to give some contrast here) and i'm only 180 at 5'7 about 8% bf. But i'm on stuff, and i admit and i'm no where near these 2 individuals. I've got a sloppy 335 bench at best, 513 dead for 1, and 407 squat for 1. I've just kinda slipped into a bit of a depression about all this, i know it may sound silly. So lets hear your honest opinions. I mean, are any of you here like these 2 guys? Honestly, I would have to see a front and rear photo of each individual to give my opinion but what I can tell you having been a personal trainer for 28 years is that black guys, people from Germany, Poland, Austria, and such, often have a huge advantage in bodybuilding due to their genetic make-up. Obviously, not all of them have great genetics but the one's that do are impressive. Think about how many big Asian bodybuilders you see and it's not a lot. Some people are built more for endurance type exercise like long distance running and others are built for mass and power. So, it's possible they are both all natural but some people will not admit they are using steroids because they are afraid of getting busted or they started out with that lie and feel the need to continue lying or else they will really look bad in the eyes of others if truth be told.

I learned along time ago not to compare myself to others. For example, i am only 5'10 and will never be 6"10 and play professional basketball or 350 lbs and play lineman in the NFL. My calves and upper chest have never grown much regardless of what i done for them due to poor genetics and the majority of guys with huge calves at our gym don't even work them. My arms grow whether I do 6 sets a week or 30 sets a week due to my genetics. Bodybuilding is not a fair sport but neither is football or basketball. Strength often has more to do with tendon size and insertions than actual muscle size-hence the reason most power lifters are not nearly as muscular as bodybuilders. Some people like my wife are born with both strength and muscle size. She was born with big rope veins and while I have a lot of veins they are no where as big as hers nor will they ever be! She got it honestly-from her dad!

note: I have worked with people I consider friends at various gyms who swore up and down to all of us they never ever touched steroids but then later found out who was selling steroids to them. Not everyone wants to admit they are using steroids because they know if they tell one person many will find out because word travels fast. Also, many of these so-called natural bodybuilder's are using steroids, insulin, and GH. Just take a look at how Lance Armstrong has lied about his steroid and blood doping use. I am not judging him but rather using Lance and his cycling buddies as examples as people lieing about their drug use. I would also like to add that these really big guys like pro bodybuilders combine large amounts of insulin and gh along with both oral and injectable steroids. When the average guy tries using that much they do not make the same kind of gains because these big guys are born with more muscle fibers and receptors to uptake higher dosages of steroids.

thanks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

This was written a while ago, however many people suggest running test e at 12 weeks, would it be as effective running a cycle for the 8 weeks? at a 500mg a week? Yes running 500 mgs for 12 weeks will be just as effective as running 500mgs for 8 weeks but don't expect to keep making gains after around 8 weeks if you don't increase the dosage above 500 mgs weekly. Also, you need to back off your training volume for a couple of weeks after training wide open for 8 weeks so this is the perfect time to give the body a break from higher dosages of anabolics.

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