A lot of recreational and lower level competitive bodybuilders that stay on pretty much year round. Especially those on HRT.Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic
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A lot of recreational and lower level competitive bodybuilders that stay on pretty much year round. Especially those on HRT.
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Myostatin increases after 8 weeks. Thats why you stop gaining.
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This is certainly a possibility. Here's an article off of pubmed explaining why gains stop after 8 weeks!
The following may be the answer as this article on myostatin (a powerful muscle growth inhibitor) shows that after 8 weeks on Testoterone, myostatin levels rise significantly. When you stop the testosterone, myostatin levels go back to normal.
Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum: Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects of testosterone administration.
Lakshman KM, Bhasin S, Corcoran C, Collins-Racie LA, Tchistiakova L, Forlow SB, St Ledger K, Burczynski ME, Dorner AJ, Lavallie ER.
Section of Endocrinology, Diabetes, and Nutrition, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston Medical Center, 670 Albany Street, Boston, MA 02118, United States.
Methodological problems, including binding of myostatin to plasma proteins and cross-reactivity of assay reagents with other proteins, have confounded myostatin measurements. Here we describe development of an accurate assay for measuring myostatin concentrations in humans. Monoclonal antibodies that bind to distinct regions of myostatin served as capture and detector antibodies in a sandwich ELISA that used acid treatment to dissociate myostatin from binding proteins. Serum from myostatin-deficient Belgian Blue cattle was used as matrix and recombinant human myostatin as standard. The quantitative range was 0.15-37.50 ng/mL. Intra- and inter-assay CVs in low, mid, and high range were 4.1%, 4.7%, and 7.2%, and 3.9%, 1.6%, and 5.2%, respectively. Myostatin protein was undetectable in sera of Belgian Blue cattle and myostatin knockout mice. Recovery in spiked sera approximated 100%. ActRIIB-Fc or anti-myostatin antibody MYO-029 had no effect on myostatin measurements when assayed at pH 2.5. Myostatin levels were higher in young than older men (mean+/-S.E.M. 8.0+/-0.3 ng/mL vs. 7.0+/-0.4 ng/mL, P=0.03). In men treated with graded doses of testosterone, myostatin levels were significantly higher on day 56 than baseline in both young and older men; changes in myostatin levels were significantly correlated with changes in total and free testosterone in young men. Myostatin levels were not significantly associated with lean body mass in either young or older men. CONCLUSION: Myostatin ELISA has the characteristics of a valid assay: nearly 100% recovery, excellent precision, accuracy, and sufficient sensitivity to enable measurement of myostatin concentrations in men and women.
PMID: 19356623 [PubMed - in process]
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This article was very informative and made me realize that im way off. This is slightly off topic but I am very new and uninformed on steroids and how to stack them with other supplements. Can you recommend something to me based on your 8 week and 2 week theory? Also I am concerned about my diet. I am trying to balance losing body fat and at the same time not sacrifice gains and muscle mass. Im 210 lbs and Im not sure what my carb, fat, and calorie intake should be daily approx.
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I would do a beginners 20 week cycle if it's your first time using.
Weeks 1-8 (500 mgs of test per week)
Weeks 9-10 (250 mgs of test per week)
Weeks 11-18 (750 mgs of test per week)
Weeks 19-20 (250 mgs of test per week)
Week 21 begin PCT
No one can tell you how many calories to take in daily as it's different for diffeernt people. Keep carb intake around 200, Protein around 350 and fats around 75 and see how that works..
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Hey i started my cycle two weeks ago using 500 mg testovrion and 200 mg deca per week...im feelng kidney pain on the right...my kidney test was alright ...the creatinine level the uric acid and the urea level n the test was alright...doctor says steroid cause can incraese the creatinine level but its fine...he said ur urea is 33 and its maximum level shud be 45 so drink more water and awl.can anyone plz tellme how to get rid of this pain...im alread drinking 6 litres water per day
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Are you dieting down or taking anti-es or any other meds/supplements with the test/deca? How much protein are you taking in per day?
Test/deca should not cause kidney pain. It almost sounds like a possible kidney stone but probably just muscle pain!
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Ronnie....you say to not change exercises during a reload.....yet continue pounding the same exercises over and over again....do anabolics work better when you do this????
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Almost forget this one ronnie!!!!!why are you not a big fan of aromatase inhibitors???do they inhibit gains or whats the deal???
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What I am not a fan of vince is taking anti-es when they are not neccesary and this happens all too often IMO. Anti-estrogens such as arimidex cause joint pain for many and that's my biggest concern. People need to realize these are very powerful drugs that were designed for cancer patients not bodybuilders. They can ruin your joints permanetly! Heres a link you will want to read through. Look at how many are in crippling pain from either using arimidex or having used arimidex. SCARY STUFF! http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
Some people can take only 1 drop of arimidex and hurt like crazy in their joints (even while using deca.) Drugs like arimidex will put you at a higher risk for clogged arteries by lowering good cholesterol. You need estrogen to help cholesterol levels. The aromatization of testosterone to estradiol helps prevent the negative effects of androgens on serum lipids. In one study 300 mgs of test enanthate was used for 20 weeks with no anti-es. The testosterone showed only a 12% decrease in HDL but when anti-es were introdcued with 300 mgs of test for 20 weeks, the reduction in HDL increased to 25% (thats double!)
Estrogen can increase androgen receptor binding, increase androgen receptors, keep serotonin levels in check-hence allowing for better sleep, more energy, improved mood, and a better sex drive. Estrogen increases GH/IGF-1 and improves glucose utilization. This glucose aid the pentose phosphate pathway which helps dictate the speed muscle tissue will be repaired.
It's no secret that the best mass building steroids are also the ones that convert to estrogen. The extra water retention from estrogen allows you to lift heavier weight-hence an increase in muscle size over time! Use too many anti-es and you might as well take a non-aromatizing steroid like winstrol.
People who notice signs of gyno or who know from past experiences they are prone to gyno should indeed use a small amount of anti-es to help with that particular problem but for those who do not have this issue, then I think it's best to not use anti-es so that maximum gains in tissue can ocurr without having to deal with all the side effects of these powerful anti-cancer drugs!
That's why I am saying to not use anti-es unless they are absolutely needed. Why take another drug that has known side effects if it's not needed? Everyone has different genetics and I think we must be careful that we do not put everyone in the same category. Many have been persuaded in to taking anti-es when they never really needed them.
Note: Quite often side effects experienced during a cycle is from the ancillary drugs like anti-es instead of the anabolics. This can dishearten some people and they come off of steroids, only to pull it's results down and others with it.
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ARIMIDEX SIDES CONTINUED- http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
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Endometrial Stromal Sarcoma OMG, reading all your stories really hits home with me. I had a TAH in January of this year. I have been on Arimidex for about 3 months. Was on Provera before, but it didn't agree with me. I feel sick all the time. Nausea, shortness of breath, insomnia, numbness in hands, joint pain. I could go on. My doc more or less blows it off as just real bad menopause. Have pain on my right side below rib cage for 2 mos. now. Have to have CT Scan tomorrow. I think this drug has alot to do w/my syptoms. Any info is much appreciated. If the scan comes up negative, I would like to go off the Arimidex just to see if I feel any better. I could always try Femera. F 42 3 months 10/11/2009
1 Her2 Brest Cancer This is an update to an earlier rating I added. I was having "Carpral Tunnel" pain my doc refused to believe me when I told her she stated "NO Way" I stopped going to her and started seeing a new oncologist last week she printed out info. on Arimidex and it has now been confirmed this medicine DOES Cause Carpral Tunnel this info. was given me by my Doctor so ladies I am starting Aromasin hope I have better luck with it. I also have Lymphedema and had a blood clot the clot is cleared for now I am still suffering with Lymphedema and Carpral tunnel pain good luck to all who are still using Arimidex Please if you want a copy of this info email me and I will send it to you F 60 1 months 10/10/2009
4 Stage1 BC/no lymph node removed nausea past two weeks, occasional back pain. I get relief from my chiropracter I have been taken arimidex for 4 months and just within the two weeks I have been feeling nausea. My oncologist says it is not the arimidex. Not really sure why I see her, when I tell her how I am feeling she says it is not the arimidex. I don't know what to do. She says to take prilosec, so I am going to try it now. F 52 4 months 10/7/2009
4 Breast Cancer Her2+ BRAC2+ Stage 3 Hot flashes, joint pain & stiffness, trigger fingers, tingling & numbness in hands & feet, mouth & throat sores, occasional memory problems, no sexual desire, big weight gain, etc. - I am High, High risk - right mastectomy 2007 Oopharectomy 2008 I'd like to give a little encouragement, my hands are better! It happened around a year out - they were very bad for about a year, I even had an arthritic lump at the joint of one finger - now all gone! Hang in there ladies it does get better! I still have days I ache all over & have other symptoms but I am at least 75% improved & no more cancer! F 51 2 years 10/6/2009
4 BC, Stage 1, no nodes Occasional severe hip and knee pain of days. I have wondered whether Arimidex depleats minerals. So twice have taken Twin Labs Multi Minerals and the pain was gone after about 3 days. Not sure of cause and effect. But it seems to work for me. Early side effects included feeling tired, slow and old. Of course just knowing you have breast cancer can make you feel that way. Best therapy - spending time with friends and family - keeping your mind on more positive things.Of course, I hope Arimidex lives up to my expectations in the long run. Time will tell. F 69 3 years 10/6/2009
2 Breast Cancer Insomnia, shortness of breathe, waking up at all hours and feeling disoriented. Joint pain and no energy at all. Also when I wake up I feel like I can not breathe at all. Not a good feeling. I was told by my doctor I would not experience any side effects at all. Boy was he wrong. Will stop taking it and see just what the percentage of my getting cancer again with out taking it is. If it is very low then I will take my chances. Really need to be able to work right now. F 57 4 days 9/26/2009
1 BC Stage 1 ER+ with neg nodes Fatigue, extreme pain in joints, muscles and bones of feet, ankles,legs,knees,back, shoulders, elbows, hands, fingers, wrists, and headaches. Stiffness in ankles, knees upon arising in morning and standing up after sitting for a while. At this point, I question whether to continue this drug. I've been on it for 3 and 1/2 months and feel progressively worse each day. Have begun a "two week vacation" from Arimidex with the approval of my oncologist. When I meet with her in two weeks, since I have no pain since stopping this drug (24 hours), I cannot find a reason to continue it. How can a drug that feels like it is poison in my body actually be doing a good thing for me? Is there an alternative that is any better tolerated? F 69 110 days 9/22/2009
3 BC + 4 lymph nodes in 2006 Did the mastectomy, chemo and radiation as there is a strong history of breast cancer in my family. I experience bone pain, muscle aches, hot flashes usually preceded by an sudden moment of anxiety, depression (related to not having any estrogen>, thinning hair and lots of headaches. Cranky off and on. If one looks at the literature about Arimidex, the incidences of most of the side effects are supposed to be "rare". If one reads this website, they might not be so rare and when more than one is present, they pile up. I take extra calcium and Vit. D, MSM for pain, Zoloft for the blues, exercise 3 times a week at the gym and living in a rural area, there's always something to be done on the property. I'm feeling a little frustrated because 5+ side effects at a time, are very energy consuming. I'm grateful for the progress in the treatment of BC however, this stuff is rough F 62 23 months 9/20/2009
4 Lower estrogen levels Muscle aches, joint pains, hot flashes. Minor nausea at beginning. Exercise, especially water aerobics, helped with muscle and joint pain. Massages were useful to alleviate muscle discomfort. F 55 4 years 9/19/2009
1 breast cancer Why dont they mention hair loss as a side effect and how it can age you. but I guess this drug is given to older women only, who cares if it ruins our appearence as long as it keeps cancer away right? I understand this is a fairly new drug with so many side effects. That is frightening. 60 9/19/2009
4 Stage 1 invasive breast cancer Increased joint and muscle pain in legs and lower back. Had previously had mild problems in these areas, but now very intensified. Feel like I'm 100 years old trying to get out of a chair. No hot flashes. Slight weight gain. I have been on Arimidex for six months. Told both my oncologist and surgeon about the severe joint and muscle pain. Both mentioned that patients who experience this have better results. In other words, it's working. I can put up with the aches and pains as long as there is no recurrence of cancer. Have been told I will be on Arimidex for five years. F 73 6 months 9/14/2009
5 Breast Cancer stage 3 Took Tomoxiphen for 2 1/2 years -- experienced weight gain, very achy joints, bone 'pain' extreme hot flashes -- but I was alive -- switched to Arimidex consider it Tomoxiphen (SP) light. Side effects 75% less harsh. Cancer free 6+ years F 56 3 years 9/9/2009
3 Prevent a recurrence of lobluar car I've been on the drug for a year and have experienced mild side effects: hot flashes, knee joint discomfort, experience stiffness in am. and after sitting for an hour. Some weight gain (5-7 lbos), some loss of libido, and stomach discomfort. Overall, I'm hoping these mild side affects are worth the benefit of my cancer not recurring. F 62 1 years 9/8/2009
2 Breast Cancer Invasive stage 1 Carpal Tunnel was under control before Arimidex but worsen to the point of surgery in July. Surgery is scheduled for Trigger Finger and left hand tendinitis. Feet hurt in the morning when getting out of bed. Brain fog, lack of motivation, severe depression even on Wellbutrin, tiredness, ADD. And on and on. After 6 months I stopped taking Arimidex but symptoms have not completely gone away. Started Tamoxifen in July. Don't have any new side effects except for a 5 lb weight gain which I'll work on. But really, how could I tell with so many side effects still there from Arimidex? Depression is much better! F 59 6 months 9/7/2009
2 Prevent breast cancer return Severe joint pain and swelling of extremeties (now have "cankles"), osteoarthritis in both knees, weight gain (actually happened on Tamoxifen). Ortho. surgeon now talking about knee replacement. I'm not even 50! Will this go away eventually? I went hiking 1 year ago, right AFTER finishing chemo and radiation. Now in so much joint pain that I can hardly walk or get up out of chairs. Have had surgery on right knee. Keep testing me for lupus (always negative). Pain came on sooo fast. Oncologist insists it's the "chemo-pause" and not the medications. F 48 2 months 9/3/2009
4 breast cancer stage II a i have severe carpal tunnel and tendonitis. i have degenerative disc disease in my kneck. i am tired most of the time and have brain fog. it sounds bad but i have a great quality of life. i exercise five times a week and i am a type a personality, nothing stops me. i feel blessed to be alive. i have one more year to go on this medicine and then hopefully all the side effects will go away. i took tamoxifen for 5 years and then took femara for a few months. femara is awful!!! i could hardly walk up and down the stairs my hips hurt so bad!!! i gave it a four because i feel it is what i am supposed to take and my doctor tells me i am cured. i feel blessed. F 48 4 years 8/30/2009
3 Third BC diagnosis. Foot, leg, shoulder and hand pain. Balance and Fuzzy Brain. Sore throat,ear and headache.Fatigue, I can fall asleep anywhere but can't stay asleep for more than an hour or two hours at a time. Depressed - Have taken anti-depressants since last BC treatment. Also take thyroid medication since last radiation treatment in 2001. Some hot flashes, not like tamoxifin. I gave it a three because I don't know if it works. Took Tamoxifin for five years and have had two recurrances. Since this is my third go around with BC, 1st time '93 Stage II with nodes, Lumpectomey, chemo and radiation. Second time in 2001 -no nodes, Lumpectomy and radiation. So - this times I had a bilateral mastectomy. They found cancer in my left breast too, that was not found in Mammogram. Right breast discovered in mammography. I could not afford to order the refill after having my insurance changed so until I found the $$ I was off the drug for seven days. The quality of my life improved and I didn't connect it to the drug until today. I did let my Dr. know at the first follow up visit that I wanted to stop the drug. He persuaded me to give it another chance. Now - I do not know. I know I get too tired to go back to work right now.I make myself do water aerobics 5 days a week and walk every day. F 69 3 months 8/30/2009
3 Breast Cancer Hot flashes, numbness in right arm and hand, especially at night, weight gain, sleepless nights, had severe arthiritis is left hand, could not use it, severe knee pain. I took my last pill of arimidex in July 2009, the pain in my knee is gone, severe, arthiritis in left hand is gone, no longer take medication for arthiritis. Sleep through the entire night now, numbness in right hand and arm are gone, I feel like a new person. I cannot believe how badly that little pill made me feel. I read the arimidex takes about 4 months to get out of your system, I can't believe how much better I already feel. Now if I can continue to have good mamos, and test results I believe it was worth the pain. I am working on losing the weight. So hang in there if you can bear the side effects arimidex might be worth taking. F 57 5 years 8/29/2009
1 Breast Cancer stage 2 One of the side effects I experienced was Adhesive Capsulitis..Frozen Shoulder. An Orthopedist said that never happens in women my age. An Oncologist told me I was the 4th patient she had with this Arimidex caused condition. Info on that condition was not mentioned anywhere, although I researched extensively prior to taking the drug . I also suffered from drying of mucus membranes & thought I had a UTI. Arimidex caused microscopic blood in my urine, I had severe muscle & bone pain. Made it difficult to stand. Loss of appetite, insomnia and an all around disintigration of my quality of life. Who knows what other damage done by Arimidex the pharmeceutical company omitted from their reports. Poisonous stuff. I stopped the Arimidex after 2 months. Women weighing less than 110 pounds have more severe side effects to Arimidex and many other medications. During Surgery, Chemo & Radiation I used & continue to use supportive & Complementary Alternative remedies. I use Weleda's Iscador..an anti cancer subcutaneous injection that has been used in Europe for over 70 years and other homeopathic, herbal and essential oils, all with the Oncologists knowledge & approval. My diet is restrictive..only organic foods and I avoid a long list of foods. I eat cruciferous vegetables daily & take a cauliflower extract daily along with other vitamins & supplements in an effort to change my estrogen ratio. I think that Arimidex, Famara, Tamoxifen etc MIGHT diminish the recurrence of breast cancer, causing who knows what else? what of the short & long term damage it causes.Since I stopped taking Arimidex I feel great and I look really well! I wouldn't take again it if you paid me. F 67 2 months 8/29/2009
1 BC Stage 1 Clear Nodes Severe joint pain in feet. Can hardly walk sometimes - especially in the morning. Hot flashes, night sweats, high blood pressure, insomnia, irritable, numbness of toes. Totally miserable! I hate the way I feel taking this drug. I try to stay positive but the side effects are taking their toll. I have an active 9 year old and can’t even enjoy doing the basics because of the joint stiffness/pain. I’m strongly leaning towards stop taking the drug and go for a good quality of life. I’m taking just about every vitamin out there. And the reality of all this is you still have a chance of reoccurrence after taking it for 5 years and living in misery. F 49 2 years 8/28/2009
1 B/C Stage 1, clear nodes Swelling, severe joint pain in feet, fingers, weight gain, short term memory loss, hot flashes, can not sleep, heat sensitive, shortness of breath, mood swings. I just don't know about this drug. I hate my life the way it is now. I want to be me again. M 51 1 years 8/26/2009
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wow.....this explains everything...thank you!!!
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Of course sticking with the same exercises during a reload makes anabolics work better! Results are measured with a baseline and by constantly changing exercises you are erasing your baseline. If you have no history of making forward progress then how do you know you are progressing. By using the same exercises during a reload/8 week anabolic steroid cycle your results are evident every time and you can keep track when you are capable of adding another rep of adding another pound to the bar.
If you want to see consistent gains in strength and size with a particular exercise, then you're going to have to do it consistently. If squats are your bread and butter exercise for quads then you will need to do squats every week. This is called training in a sport specific manner as it brings forth specific adaptations. Stay with the exercises that give you the most results.
Note: Ronnie Coleman always used the same exercises and it showed!
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Hey guys over the summer I did a cycle of tren ace, test enan, eq, and in the last ten weeks for week 7-10 i threw in 100 mg of anadrol a day I am a lineman and i play football i recieved major strength and size gains especially hard bulk but i didnt gain any wieght my body fat was 22 now its 18 and i have been off for 10 weeks so i started a new one this week im running the same thing but instead at 5 weeks im goin to run anadrol 50 mgs a day for more weight gain one thing i wanna know is what i could throw into my cycle to give me more mass lean mass im 280 i would like to be 305 any suggestions guys
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The answer you are looking for is- consume more calories from protein and healthy fats!
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thanks with my wieght being 280 how many grams of protein should I consume and what would you consider healthy fats
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1. 280lbs/2.2 = 127,27kgs
127,27*3.3 = 381grs (13,43oz effective)
2. Eat a lot of Wild Salmon from Alaska and Extra Virgin Olive Oil 25grs ed (0,88oz), plus walnuts and almonds.
EFA Essential Fatty Acid (ALA, EPA, DHA and DPA).
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thanks alot guys really helpful
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hey guys. i just wanted to know if you guys could help me out here.
i want to go on a deca and d bol course.. must i take the deca while i am on my d bol course? how many mg do you suggest i take of the deca per day or week and when should i take it throughout the week?
i have 10mg d bol tabs but how many should i take on my off days and do you guys think taking my tabs in the pyrimid method is a good way or could you suggest me any better ways of taking them.
i am thinking of going on a 4-5 week d bol course but i just need to know if i must take my deca during those weeks aswell??
do you guys think i should do dbol and deca or would d bol and sus give me better results??
thanx guys.
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Freakin awesome
Ronnie..just want to say thanks so much..this thread contains the most usable knowledge on the net...woo hoo...~~~~
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I truly appreciate the kind words VINCE. I am glad to be of help.
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ronnie...when someone is ectomorph.... and struggles to gain weight...do they still keep carbs and fats separated during a reload??
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No! In order to gain muscle weight some must combine large quantities of fats and carbs in almost every meal if not all meals.
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alrighty then.....now we are cooking with gas..
2 guys at the gym cannot gain weight...they have asked me to ask you what to do...would they still need 1.5 or 2 grams of protein.. lb of bw..???
just want to say one more time......thanks for all the help!!!!you have helped me more than you'll ever know...my gains have never been this good in the past and that goes for when i was just starting out.....
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answers above.
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great post ronnie very knowlegable
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whats better
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injection
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I am new to this, I am going to try Ronnie's reload and deload. I'm going to try Test Cyp. along with Dbol and was thinking of taking Nolvadex. Is this ok or a good start?
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If it's only your first or second cycle you may wish to stick to only test during first 8 week reload then run d-bol along with test throughout entire 2nd 8 week reload..
NOTE: DO NOT USE NOLVADEX. I WOULD GO WITH AROMASIN IF ANTI-ES ARE IN FACT NEEDED!
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Hi Ronnie,
I ve started 2 weeks ago a cycle , for the first time, consists of :
1-DEXXA 250 , 1ML each injection .
2-Testo depot , 1ML each injection .
3-Sustanon 250, 1ML each injection .
Please note it s my first time in this field and in my town info about cycles are really limited and perhaps primitive.
Could you please inform me how best I could use above 3 , is it Ok to use them together ( Dexxa first day, testo depot second day and sustanon 3 rd day without interruption) ?
My aim is to add some muscle mass but not to become very bulcky.
Thank you indeed for your time.
Regards,
Joe
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aboveHi Ronnie,
I ve started 2 weeks ago a cycle , for the first time, consists of :
1-DEXXA 250 , 1ML each injection .
2-Testo depot , 1ML each injection .
3-Sustanon 250, 1ML each injection .
Please note it s my first time in this field and in my town info about cycles are really limited and perhaps primitive
Could you please inform me how best I could use above 3 , is it Ok to use them together ( Dexxa first day, testo depot second day and sustanon 3 rd day without interruption) ? Sustanon needs to be injected 2-3 times weekly, test depot can be injected once and deca once. Inject 1cc of sustanon and 1 cc of deca in same syringe on monday and 1 cc of test depot and 1 cc of sustanon in same syringe on friday. Thats two shots a week with each syringe containing 2cc of anabolics. Run for 8 weeks then switch to only 1 cc of test depot per week for 2 week deload then repeat protocol (20 weeks total) then consider a full pct. Read through this thread from the beginning and it will tell you most everything you need to know.
My aim is to add some muscle mass but not to become very bulcky. Diet mostly determines the outcome!Thank you indeed for your time.
Regards,
Joe
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aboveHi Ronnie,
I ve started 2 weeks ago a cycle , for the first time, consists of :
1-DEXXA 250 , 1ML each injection .
2-Testo depot , 1ML each injection .
3-Sustanon 250, 1ML each injection .
Please note it s my first time in this field and in my town info about cycles are really limited and perhaps primitive
Could you please inform me how best I could use above 3 , is it Ok to use them together ( Dexxa first day, testo depot second day and sustanon 3 rd day without interruption) ? Sustanon needs to be injected 2-3 times weekly, test depot can be injected once and deca once. Inject 1cc of sustanon and 1 cc of deca in same syringe on monday and 1 cc of test depot and 1 cc of sustanon in same syringe on friday. Thats two shots a week with each syringe containing 2cc of anabolics. Run for 8 weeks then switch to only 1 cc of test depot per week for 2 week deload then repeat protocol (20 weeks total) then consider a full pct. Read through this thread from the beginning and it will tell you most everything you need to know.
My aim is to add some muscle mass but not to become very bulcky. Diet mostly determines the outcome!Thank you indeed for your time.
Regards,
Joe
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Ronnie this is a great routine.I love it.Going on 1 month now never did a BB routine only powerlifer stuff.I can feel the difference.At 51 and still gettin it on
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Thanks for sharing. Just goes to show you us older guys can stay after it.
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what are your thoughts on Test 400 by Denkall? i have heard some good stuff about this shit. what would you suggest i stack the Test 400 with the great the best mass and muscle gains? thanks big guy
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worst stuff ive ever injected mate...............
stings like a bitch...............
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I strongly agree with that statement...JUNK..!:you can get better from Denkall or super test 250 made by Tornel.
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Hey Ronnie is it ok to take Creatine while blasting?? I'm all natural now but I seem to get good results with NO xplode and Cellmass which is why I'm asking. Sorry if you have already covered this but I have read every post up to p. 13 and have yet to run into it. Thanx bro your the damn best for helping us all out
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