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    Thanks for the time to put something like this together.

    I have a question regarding the PCT/Deload. If your using test e or Sustanon as your testosterone, they typically take 2-3 weeks to completely leave your system. IMO it is best to wait until the compound is out before starting PCT. I also saw my best gains on cycle in weeks 8-10. I would be afraid to deload right when I'm at my peak. I have not tried this slingshot method so I could be completely off based on my experience.

    I would think that a prolonged training cycle, say 8-12 months of this, would not allow your body to produce testosterone naturally.

    Would it be best to use different compounds such as test prop?
    Since your body is never producing test on it's own I would think that the possiblility of shutting down the production is very high, do you have a different opinion on this?

    This looks like a fantastic program and makes complete sense, I just worry about the prolonged use of AAS for someone that is not training for a competition.

    This method just completely differs from everything I have learned and been educated on. I am not trying to contradict you, I am just curious as to what are your thoughts are on this?

    Thanks in Advance-

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    Fantastic reading !!!

    Out of curiosity what dosage would you recomend in the deload phase ?

    Say you are running
    500mg test e ew
    400mg deca ew

    would you up the dosage on the aas on the next reload phase or would you up the dosage every other/every 4th reload phase etc ? or would you gauge this on when you feel you need to up the dosages because gains are no longer happening as much ?

    How much would you increase your intake of aas when required to ?

    Thanks for the great article very impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPO View Post
    Fantastic reading !!!

    Out of curiosity what dosage would you recomend in the deload phase ?

    Say you are running
    500mg test e ew
    400mg deca ew

    deload- 300 mgs of test ew

    would you up the dosage on the aas on the next reload phase or would you up the dosage every other/every 4th reload phase etc ? or would you gauge this on when you feel you need to up the dosages because gains are no longer happening as much ? USE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF ASS NEEDED TO MAKE NOTICEABLE GAINS IN LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE. ONCE THE GAINS STOP YOU'LL HAVE TO INCREASE THE DOSAGE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S EVERY OTHER RELOAD OR EVERY RELOAD. IT'S DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THE MORE ADVANCED ONE BECOMES THE LESS OPTIONS THEY HAVE IN REGARDS TO INCREASING DOSAGES! PROS MOSTLY MAINTAIN WHAT THEY HAVE BUILT ONCE THEY HIT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT. ONE CAN GET FAIRLY CLOSE TO THEIR GENETIC PEAK IN ABOUT 4 YEARS USING SLINGSHOT TRAINING WHEN THEY DO IT IN AN AGGRESIVE MANNER. GAINS IN MUSCLE MATURITY WILL CONTINUE.

    How much would you increase your intake of aas when required to ? YOUR NEXT STEP GOING BY YOUR CYCLE ABOVE WOULD BE 750 MGS OF TEST PER WEEK AND KEEP THE DECA AT 400 MGS.
    Thanks for the great article very impressive.
    ANSWERS Above in bold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    ANSWERS Above in bold.
    True gent.

    Thanks for taking the time to get back to me. very informative !!!

    JPO.

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    is 2 grams of test..... good to take every week during reload????

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    Quote Originally Posted by VASCULAR VINCE View Post
    is 2 grams of test..... good to take every week during reload????
    It can be great for competitors as they become more advanced and can no longer make gains otherwise.

    I would never recommend 2 grams of test per week during reloads for newbies or for those who experience bad side effects such as high blood pressure while taking moderate amounts of test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VASCULAR VINCE View Post
    is 2 grams of test..... good to take every week during reload????
    thank you ronnie!!! why would squats... cause overall growth... if injecting test??? does not compute!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VASCULAR VINCE View Post
    thank you ronnie!!! why would squats... cause overall growth... if injecting test??? does not compute!!
    Squats are so intense that they do cause some enodgenous test/gh release. But that's not the reason squats make you grow all over when taking synthetic testosterone. It has to do with improving insulin sensitivity! The legs are the largest muscle group in the body and squats is the king of all exercises. When your legs grow bigger the extra muscle mass increases your metabolism. This noticeable increase in metabolic rate improves nutrient uptake allowing you to consume more calories and not get fat!

    A person with a poor metabolism won’t be able to grow muscle and keep bodyfat levels low because they are insulin resistant. Anyone who wants to succeed in building a better body must establish outstanding insulin sensitivity by changing their BMR. When your body deals well with insulin, it will produce a positive re-partitioning effect upon muscle-to-fat-ratio. This means an improved rate in which nutrients are absorbed-hence less adipose tissue build up during a mass phase. Insulin resistance is caused by 4 primary actions 1) Eating too many carbs. 2) Weight gain caused by eating too many calories from carbs and/or fats given protein intake is not excessive. Yes, too much protein can cause you to get fat as well! 3) Eating the wrong kinds of carbs or fats on a long term basis, 4) having a small amount of lean muscle tissue, and/or a lot of bodyfat. The definition of Insulin resistance consists of 2 different things. 1) Muscle cell resistance is when the muscle building hormone-insulin can no longer reach the muscles. Therefore, it won’t be able to drive amino acids and glucose into the cells. This means you will appear flat and not be able to build a substantial amount of tissue. 2) Fat cell insulin resistance means insulin can’t aid with nutrient storage in fat cells and the insulin will not be able to slow down the breakdown of fat.

    TRAIN THOSE LEGS HARD IF YOU WANT YOUR WHOLE BODY TO GROW!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VASCULAR VINCE View Post
    is 2 grams of test..... good to take every week during reload????
    VINCE, I have been helping bodybuilders get ready for shows for a long time now and everyone responds differently to calories and everyone responds differently to certain drugs and dosages of certain drugs.

    It's all about finding what it takes to make you grow and diet plays a role. Just because your friend can gain on 2000 cals per day and you need 5000 cals per day to gain does not make it a bad thing. And just because your friend grows on 750 mgs of test per week and you need 2 grams plus per week to grow does not make it wrong!

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    I am new to this site and was trying to PM you for some info but it says I cant, But i will say thanks for all the info

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bgrunt1 View Post
    I am new to this site and was trying to PM you for some info but it says I cant, But i will say thanks for all the info
    Please ask any questions you want in this thread.

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    As to my last post. Maybe this will clear up what i was trying to say im not looking for sources or anything like that. I am looking for Information that is valuable either on this site or maybe a place where i can find out information that is legit. Because what you find on the inter-net could be real or not and how is someone like myself, who knows very little about this subject other than the mazes of information i have gotten lost in. Im not asking for a miracle I just hoping someone can help me get my azimuth straight. And when i say information in other places I mean material i can touch and read that will help me get a grasp on what i want to do. I just want to do this the right way I dont like doing stuff half cocked.


    AS I HAVE ALWAYS SAID FAILING TO PLAN IS PLANING TO FAIL. AND I DONT LIKE FAILING,
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaron1mix View Post
    thanks for the time to put something like this together.

    I have a question regarding the pct/deload. If your using test e or sustanon as your testosterone, they typically take 2-3 weeks to completely leave your system. Imo it is best to wait until the compound is out before starting pct. not neccesary i also saw my best gains on cycle in weeks 8-10. You saw best gains at week 8 because this is the point where full=adaptation takes place. I would be afraid to deload right when i'm at my peak. Take your gains and run so you will be able to can come back faster and make gains again! I have not tried this slingshot method so i could be completely off based on my experience.

    I would think that a prolonged training cycle, say 8-12 months of this, would not allow your body to produce testosterone naturally. When you feel the need to do a 4 week pct from time to time you simply do a 2 week prime following the 2 week deload. This will give you a break! ha

    would it be best to use different compounds such as test prop? Not neccesary and all those injections are more painful.
    Since your body is never producing test on it's own i would think that the possiblility of shutting down the production is very high, do you have a different opinion on this? If you fear getting shut down you could do a 4 week pct combined of a 2 week deload-2 week prime) on a more frequent basis or do an occasional 8 week reload training without any anabolics AFTER a 4 week PCT. slingshot training is set up for making maximum muscle gains but adjustments can be made if need be.

    this looks like a fantastic program and makes complete sense, i just worry about the prolonged use of aas for someone that is not training for a competition. In your case you should consider an occasional 8 week reload using zero steroids.

    This method just completely differs from everything i have learned and been educated on. I am not trying to contradict you, i am just curious as to what are your thoughts are on this?

    Thanks in advance-
    answers above in bold.

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    ^^^^ Thanks Bro. It's always good to get some new opinions. I think I will try it without AAS on my next break. Looking forward to the new program.

    Good Read by the way!

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