ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)

[terraj]

That's actually incorrect. The size you see is the buildup of 'fast twitch' muscles rather than the 'slow twitch' muscles. For size you generally will want to keep your reps at the 6-8 range.

Maybe I am playing to safe, however ....my concern is for someone that has not lifting heavy, who will more then likely be gaining strength fast and in this case I would say keep your reps in the mid range 8-12. This is my opinion, based on my mistakes on a path much like the OP's.

Peace

terraj

[gymnerd]

Maybe I am playing to safe, however ....my concern is for someone that has not lifting heavy, who will more then likely be gaining strength fast and in this case I would say keep your reps in the mid range 8-12. This is my opinion, bad on my mistakes on a path much like the OP's.

Peace

terraj

I personaly agree with you its a good way to avoid injury and still train till failure if you train that way.

[BJJ]

Just cuious are you running HG var or UGL?

That is a debatable question since some vets told me HG while some others UGL.
The web site of the company states HG but "to write is easy".

[BJJ]

As you know, I think Var is well suited to fighters. However, most fighters are looking for strength from the Var cycle and not size. You are after size to go up a weight class right?
I would have preferred you have a better strength base prior to a cycle...

Still doing BJJ= extra stress on the soft tissue. I would only weight lift and cardio while on the cycle. This will help you get that pounds you want with lesser chance of injury.
Keep your rep range 8-12, you want the size and this is what will give it to you. You will gain strength and maybe fast from the Var, if you don't have experience of lifting heavy you will be prime for injury...keep mid range for reps and keep form.

Hope this make sense to you. Also this just my opinion based my my experience, take it or leave it...

Peace

terraj

Maybe I am playing to safe, however ....my concern is for someone that has not lifting heavy, who will more then likely be gaining strength fast and in this case I would say keep your reps in the mid range 8-12. This is my opinion, bad on my mistakes on a path much like the OP's.

Peace

terraj

I perfectly understood what you wanted to mean, and your advice was a very intelligent one.

In fact:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=403436

[thai-lan]

Cycle:[/B]
BULKING
Week 1-8 Oxandrolone 60 mg ed (Ttl 3.360 mg) (Breakfast/Lunch)
Week 6-8 Mesterolone 25 mg ed (Ttl 525 mg) (Breakfast)
PCT
Week 9-10 Clomiphene 50 mg ed (Ttl 700 mg) (Breakfast)

alright BJ Joe , u claimed that uve been up to 200lbs all natural , why bother running another cycle just to get up to 200??

var has 8 hours of half life so ur meant to split it up 4doses if u want it to be in your blood stream at all times

i believe even tho var is mild, ur meant to run a better pct than CLOMID only...

[BJJ]

alright BJ Joe ?, u claimed that uve been up to 200lbs all natural , why bother running another cycle just to get up to 200?? because i want to get to 200 with less than 15% bf i used to have. i could do that too naturally but i have no time to dedicate so deeply.

var has 8 hours of half life so ur meant to split it up 4doses if u want it to be in your blood stream at all times i don't want that, otherwise i would have run a long ester

i believe even tho var is mild, ur meant to run a better pct than CLOMID only... since at night my sytem is "clean", i think 2w of clomid are more than enough.

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[thai-lan]

you would have ran a longer ester of ANAVAR??
so your system is clean at night does that mean 2w of clomid is enough for pct??

u obviously dont know anything , i bet one of those kids will read your posts and try to do their pct 2w just like you and they will end up having the worse sides ever...

[BJJ]

you would have ran a longer ester of ANAVAR?? Did I write oxandrolone (anavar)? I do not recall having written that... since it cannot be a "longer ester". I meant a long ester like testosterone.
so your system is clean at night does that mean 2w of clomid is enough for pct?? Are you a doctor to quote that? Are you an endocrinologist?... I started to get informed and found out this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94756 , I took out the info I needed and started to ask around... then finally, I went to see my endo who advised me the cycle I am running right now. And yes, since I am going to get a new blood analyses one week from the end of my bulking period, then and only then, I might be advised to change the pct by a doctor.

u obviously dont know anything He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches. - Bernard Shaw -, i bet one of those kids will read your posts and try to do their pct 2w just like you and they will end up having the worse sides ever... This thread was made to help and the fact I am followed by an endocrinologist, should be taken as example by the newbies.

I am not here to jeopardize anything or no-one.
Can you say the same? since you just criticized me, told me I know nothing but never gave me a suggestion...

[thai-lan]

LOL ru bulking with ANAVAR???? i hope no newbie will follow your idiotic ideas, such as 2weeks of CLOMID only PCT

[BJJ]

LOL ru bulking with ANAVAR???? i hope no newbie will follow your idiotic ideas, such as 2weeks of CLOMID only PCT

I used the word "bulking" to identify a period, which differs from the following one, pct.

You are as useful as a fridge in the south pole.
Stop bothering and look for another thread.

[thai-lan]

i can look at any thread that i want and i can post on any thread that i want.. if u dont like my opinions then u could just use the block option .

[Big]

~sigh~ edit that

[ythrashin]

i believe even tho var is mild, ur meant to run a better pct than CLOMID only... since at night my sytem is "clean", i think 2w of clomid are more than enough.

At night your system is hardly "clean". Say you take your 30mg var at lunch 12pm...and the "Half-life" is 9 hours. At bout 9 pm you'll have roughly 15-20mg (maybe a bit more cause of your morning dose though)still active in your body. Then at 6am the next morning you'd still have 7-10mg active in your body...

[ythrashin]

i can look at any thread that i want and i can post on any thread that i want.. if u dont like my opinions then u could just use the block option .

I dont think BJJ likes being wrong.... Prepare to be BLOCKED!!
Its ok I still like you BJJ despite all the insults!!

[BJJ]

[QUOTE=ythrashin;4894373]At night your system is hardly "clean". Say you take your 30mg var at lunch 12pm...and the "Half-life" is 9 hours. At bout 9 pm you'll have roughly 15-20mg (maybe a bit more cause of your morning dose though)still active in your body. Then at 6am the next morning you'd still have 7-10mg active in your body... system clean means to me with less mgs in my blood stream at night. there is a specific reason for that, in my case.




Summing up all of your posts, you are basically saying that you rely mostly on other's cycles because worked for the majority of the people in a way, so it should work also for you the same.
Your approach may fail since the fact that a cycle worked for 100 people in way, it does not mean it will for you the same.

Everyone's genetics is different so it differs the way our organism responds to the same drug, although we are all human beings.

My approach is instead individual systematic, taking into account my past medical records as well as the present ones plus a bunch of information related to the average of medical implications in using aas, referred by others.
I am constantly monitoring any changes and taking blood analyses every two weeks in order to lead the cycle in the proper direction by checking out the hormonal response I am receiving as the cycle goes forward.

Again, before saying my cycle is wrong, before saying my endo is not useful, before saying... all the rest, document yourself on the reasons why a person is acting in such a way, then you may express your ideas without being bad-mannered.

Regarding my endocrinologist, he is 57 years old and being a medical officer since he graduated. He also did two cycles in his life and working out since 25 years.
So, how comes your arrogance, rudeness, prosopopoeia, saying "he is not useful" or "***ck you endo".
What kind of person are you, what kind of people hang around here, since you are not the only one, unfortunately?
You lack respect toward a person who you do not know and surely know much more than you do regarding medicine.

Then, differently from you I do not need to "appear" who I am not and when writing or speaking I use my knowledge.
If not, I refer to the articles I took the information directly from.
Your explanation, totally unneeded to me, I already found it on this board:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=309685

The same article where you "copied & pasted".

[BJJ]

...despite all the insults!! ??????????

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[ythrashin]

Summing up all of your posts, you are basically saying that you rely mostly on other's cycles because worked for the majority of the people in a way, so it should work also for you the same.
Your approach may fail since the fact that a cycle worked for 100 people in way, it does not mean it will for you the same.

Everyone's genetics is different so it differs the way our organism responds to the same drug, although we are all human beings.

My approach is instead individual systematic, taking into account my past medical records as well as the present ones plus a bunch of information related to the average of medical implications in using aas, referred by others.
I am constantly monitoring any changes and taking blood analyses every two weeks in order to lead the cycle in the proper direction by checking out the hormonal response I am receiving as the cycle goes forward.

Again, before saying my cycle is wrong, before saying my endo is not useful, before saying... all the rest, document yourself on the reasons why a person is acting in such a way, then you may express your ideas without being bad-mannered.

Regarding my endocrinologist, he is 57 years old and being a medical officer since he graduated. He also did two cycles in his life and working out since 25 years.
So, how comes your arrogance, rudeness, prosopopoeia, saying "he is not useful" or "***ck you endo".
What kind of person are you, what kind of people hang around here, since you are not the only one, unfortunately?
You lack respect toward a person who you do not know and surely know much more than you do regarding medicine.

Then, differently from you I do not need to "appear" who I am not and when writing or speaking I use my knowledge.
If not, I refer to the articles I took the information directly from.
Your explanation, totally unneeded to me, I already found it on this board:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=309685

The same article where you "copied & pasted".

Ok... and do you still think you are "clean"? That was what I was trying to show you that your logic was wrong once again.... Yet you respond with this junk. You are a lost cause.

[chuckt12345]

why all the bashing,, let him do his cycle and post his results

[ythrashin]

why all the bashing,, let him do his cycle and post his results

Thats fine.. guy just gets extremely sensitive when you point out flaws in his logic, research and try to tell him there may be a better way to do things. He denies simple logic and its frustrating. He just says his endo said it's ok...whatever.

[BJJ]

Thats fine.. guy just gets extremely sensitive when you point out flaws in his logic, research and try to tell him there may be a better way to do things. I think no-one here needs behaviourism from you He denies simple logic and its frustrating I deny those who are not able to express their opinion without destroying others'. He just says his endo said it's ok... whatever. Why are you talking now to other people on this forum? Do you know how it is named this kind of behaviour in psychology? Well, I won't go any further...

I rely and always will on the ability of one's man to use his brain.

My endo just said, and I gave him my hand, let's try in this way because of... and see how your body responds, we might still want to change in progress by checking on every two weeks basis your blood. To me this an intelligent way of acting.

You should have simply replied with a sentence like "I apologize".
You showed, once more, you and humbleness took different paths.

[BJJ]

Ok... and do you still think you are "clean"? That was what I was trying to show you that your logic was wrong once again.... Yet you respond with this junk. You are a lost cause.

Thank you, but I answered to that.
It's in there, up there, among your meaningful words.

[ythrashin]

[B]I

My endo just said, and I gave him my hand, let's try in this way because of... and see how your body responds, we might still want to change in progress by checking on every two weeks basis your blood. To me this an intelligent way of acting.

This is a intelligent way of going about things...

I'm wondering...
Why no Test? You mentioned risks and reasons in the other thread, what are they? Wouldve saved some questions,assumptions and wouldve had some come to other logical conclusions if you would've mentioned your reasons....

You respond so defensively and take this stuff so personal. Please chill...
I'm trying not to give attitude back, but you have a vague, dancing around the subject way of answering...You may take my questioning the wrong way and you may not like my personalty...I'm just trying to understand some of your logic... You leave out some very "key" points...

BTW..I do apologize for the rude responses in return directed toward you.

General smart ass comments not directed toward you that you took personal for some reason, I do not...

[ythrashin]

Thank you, but I answered to that.
It's in there, up there, among your meaningful words.

BTW.. you are not "Clean" at night... But having lower blood levels at night may help, by not suppressing your Test production as much at night when your body produces Testosterone. There is some good logic in that...

Although it would be better to have stable blood levels throughout your cycle you would probably see better gains...

But Test you said was not a option...?

[elpropiotorvic]

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[zepiqueno]

all the admin's have given me pretty much told me the same, pct for an anavar only cycle 2 weeks of clomid ?how is this wrong?

[BJJ]

This is a intelligent way of going about things...

I do apologize for the rude responses in return directed toward you.

Apologies accepted.

[BJJ]

Day 1
60 oxa - 3.436 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day2
60 oxa - 3.550 Kcal - (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Bursts of Heat

Day3
60 oxa - 3.199 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness

Day4
60 oxa - 3.340 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, 4 mg Loperamide

Day5
60 oxa - 2.799 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, Yellow Skin (left biceps & shoulder), 4 mg Loperamide, 25.000 iu Neomycin

Day6
60 oxa - 3.646 Kcal - (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Tiredness, Yellow Skin, 1 gr Acetylsalicy Acid

Day7
60 oxa - 3.912 Kcal - (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Yellow Skin, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.411

1ST WEEK NOTES
The first week was very hard to go through. No will to eat at all and lots of problem to understand if the diarrhea was due from oxandrolone or liv.52; also I got a persistent sore throat.
The strength increase was considerable, especially on legs and shoulders.
As daily supplements throughout the cycle: (Multi Vitamins/Minerals 1 tb, Vitamin C/Ester 3 gr, EFA complex 6 gr, ALA 600 mg, LIV.52 2 tabs, CLA 4 gr, ZMA, Tribulus Terrestris 3 gr, Chromium Picolinate 400 mcg, Acetyl L-Carnitine 600 mg, Coenzyme Q10, Glutamine 35 gr, BCAA 20 gr, MT Gakic Hardcore 8 tbs (only before w/o), UN Animal Flex 1 pckt.

Day 8
60 oxa - 2.415 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite,Tiredness, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 4 mg Loperamide, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Day 9
60 oxa - 3.400 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

Day 10
60 oxa - 2.760 Kcal - (Cardio 35’)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

Day 11
60 oxa - 4.208 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Oxandrolone kicked in

Day 12
60 oxa - 3.332 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 13
60 oxa - 3.645 Kcal - (Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 14
60 oxa - 3.976 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.392

2ND WEEK NOTES
At day 11 finally Anavar showed me its potentiality by improving my strength incredibly. Not only the power to lift was improved but also the reps needed to exhaust the muscles.
Furthermore, I am starving again especially after the work-outs.
The diarrhea was given by Liv.52. I solved the problem by taking only 1 tab in the morning.

[elpropiotorvic]

I know ^^ it sucks if u workout at night u almost want to leave whey prepared in the fridge

[thai-lan]

thats alot of calories , im sure ur going to bulk up with your var only cycle

[BJJ]

I know ^^ it sucks if u workout at night u almost want to leave whey prepared in the fridge

Well, actually I work-out around lunch time or in the mid afternoon, never at night.
Since a few days, as reported, I have no problem to eat at all but I thought I could have the need to eat in a "stronger" way compared to what I am actually feeling.
Perhaps, 14 days are a too short time and definitively I am not in a test cycle.

[BJJ]

thats alot of calories , im sure ur going to bulk up with your var only cycle

My basal metabolic rate is around 2000 Kcal, plus another more or less 1000 Kcal for everyday activities (including w/o and jj), so I have left always more or less 500 Kcal to grow a little.
I'll see, I am curious to see at the end what achieved, if any.

[BJJ]

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[thai-lan]

yeah we got it no need to double post. and i was being sarcastic lol

[BJJ]

very funny...
actually i asked how to delete a double post.
do you know how to do it?

[thai-lan]

just delete everything in one post then save ,it wont delete it but will get rid of the extra space

[BJJ]

Thank you

[MYWHEY]

Impressive physique mate, subbed for final results

[BJJ]

Click Drug Name to View Profile: Anavar

[BJJ]

Has anyone ever had a direct experience to validate or invalidate some of the above written statements?

[ythrashin]

and GH (Growth Hormone) will not be suppressed with a low dose of Anavar, but will actually be raised significantly as you may have guessed, and LH will even experience a "rebound" effect when you stop using anavar.

These two things are questionable...

I've read before that GH is only raised with low doses of Anavar 10-20mg...

And the LH rebound effect I've never heard of...

I'll look into it though.