question about tren and test

[repira01]

I've been reading about tren for awhile. I understand that it is very potent at building mass as well as cutting. Also that it should always be stacked with test. My problem is that the only test i can get is test prop not one of the longer esters. Can tren and test prop be used to build mass? Thanks guys.

[G4R]

Stats?

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Height
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PCT Knowledge
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[repira01]

age 22
height 5'9"
weight contest-161lbs/offseason-200
bodyfat contest-4-5ish%/13.5
cycle experience-none
pct-none
training exp-8 years total. 2 years seriously.
diet-230-250grams of protein, and a total of about 3200-3800 calories a day.

The tren and test prop are the only ones i know how to get. i wanted to get dbol and test e or test c, but you do the best with what you have to work with.

[Big]

Tren a/test prop is a nice mix, but tren should not be used on a first cycle.

[G4R]

First off, Tren is not something you want to mess with since you have never cycled before

[G4R]

If you dont mind the frequent injections, just run the Prop for your first cycle. Test alone is always recommended for a first cycle anyways.

[repira01]

So there are good gains in mass to be had with just test prop? Isn't it used more for cutting? I'm trying to learn as much as possible. Why isn't tren good to begin? Is it because of how potent and the possible thing that could go wrong with using it?

[rugbyfan]

I've been reading about tren for awhile. I understand that it is very potent at building mass as well as cutting. Also that it should always be stacked with test. My problem is that the only test i can get is test prop not one of the longer esters. Can tren and test prop be used to build mass? Thanks guys.

Check my thread that I just started (the back from a hiatus thread) and you'll see some results I had from Tren. I did it as a second cycle and only took 75mg every other day for 8 weeks. Had great gains. I was lucky in the fact that I didn't have ANY side effects and it didn't shit me down hard, even without taking test with it. Took clomid post cycle though....

BTW - I would suggest taking it with test as a general rule......I think I was just lucky with my gains.

[Critical Mass]

Test is test. Prop just has lesss bloat to it. I can tell you that you will not gain as much weight with test/tren as you would on test/deca.

[Paul_Best]

Test is test. Prop just has lesss bloat to it. I can tell you that you will not gain as much weight with test/tren as you would on test/deca.

Thtas hard for me to belive, and if so you will not be hard it would be bloat.