Shoot hCG subcutaneously

[KimboHalfSlice]

Does anyone here shoot their hCG subcutaneously?

I haven't been able to find the information leaflet for Pregnyl on the web but I've found multiple medical sites that mention you can inject it either intramuscularly or subcutaneously.

Would the absorption be less if you take it subcutaneously?

If I get Pregnyl 5000 IU, and if I add just 2.5cc of water to it, then I'll have a concentration of 2000 IU per 1cc.

So that means, if I wanted to shoot 200 IU at a time, that I'd only need to inject 0.1cc at a time, which would be the 10 mark on an insulin syringe. This would be ideal for subcutaneous injection, exactly like shooting insulin.

I would shoot 200 IU every other day (which works out at 700 IU per week).

Or is there a reason to favour intramuscular injection?

For my next cycle I want to keep my intramuscular injections to a minimum, which is why I'm looking into shooting hCG subcutaneously if possible.

By the way, one other thing:
I've done maybe 2 or 3 subcutaneous injections before, and each time it stung like hell! Do all subcutaneous injections sting? Or maybe it was just the stuff I was injecting (Melanotan II reconstituted with bacteriostatic water).

[Hazard]

You can do either or..... Ive never shot it sub q so i can't comment on the sting. Maybe you didn't let the alcohol dry before injecting?

I would imagine the absorbtion being a bit slower..... but no big deal. I personally do IM because it's easier to me.....

what cycle are you running? 600-700iu's should be good to go.....

~Haz~

[KimboHalfSlice]

I've still got 3 more months to plan this out, but here's what I'm looking at so far:

Dianabol --- Week 1-4 --- 30mg per day
Deca --- Week 1-10 --- 600mg per week
Test E --- Week 1-12 --- 600mg per week
hCG --- Week 4-12 --- 700iu per week (to keep my balls alive)
Aromasin --- Week 2-12 --- 10mg per day (to keep water retention down)

After my last shot of Test E, I'm gonna wait 10 days and then do:

Clomiphene 100/50/50/50
Tamoxifen 40/20/20/20

Yeah you might be onto something about the alcohol, my skin was soaked with alcohol each time I injected. I'll try letting it dry next time.

I know Aromasin will help with keeping water retention down, but would it help at all with minimising the increase in body fat while I'm on cycle? (For my last cycle I took Test E on its own and I'm still getting rid of the fat now).

[marcus300]

You have been told that many times not to cycle yet you dont listen and start new threads in the hope people wont remember what your really like,
stop being stupid and listen to the advice from people who know what they are doing, if you dont want to take the advice thats fine but for jesus sake stop making new threads every 2 mins.
You have only been bodybuilding for 10-12 months,
Your 22yrs old,
Your diet is awfull and i mean bad,
You have no idea about foods or eating to build muscle,
You shouldnt be cycling, you should concentrate on your diet, training and build some base to work off,
Your going to damage yourself.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=393858
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=395774
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=403584
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=407758

[JimInAK]

I am taking HCG from 5000iu HUCOG packages. They come with 1 ml of sodium chloride (water?) to reconstitute. So I figure that each unit on the syringe = 50 units.

This product is marked on the package for intramuscular injection only. However, I took a 1000 unit (20 iu injection) subq and it did sting a bit.

I wonder if I should have just mixed it with regular Bac Water? Hopefully someone will know.

[mickdiesel]

u shouldnt have gained fat on test. wayer maybe, not da if u did then ur diet is shit.

stop doing aas li,e u weee told and eat well

[Researcher]

Marcus has completely owned you repeatedly. I love it.

[ythrashin]

Shouldn't sting as long as you reconstitute with bacteriostatic water

[ythrashin]

I wonder if I should have just mixed it with regular Bac Water? Hopefully someone will know.

Yes only bacteriostatic water. HCG will also last longer and not sting.

[feeldapump89]

I have done my first 3-4 pokes of HCG and have only noticed slight discomfort. I get a good pinch of fat and inject into it and virtually feel no pain...

[Merc.]

You can do either or..... Ive never shot it sub q so i can't comment on the sting. Maybe you didn't let the alcohol dry before injecting?

I would imagine the absorbtion being a bit slower..... but no big deal. I personally do IM because it's easier to me.....

what cycle are you running? 600-700iu's should be good to go.....

~Haz~

Yep either way is fine ( IM or sub -Q).. I like sub -q .. it can burn a little sometimes ( also good point about letting the alcohol dry)...

But yea the absorption rates are different ( but it is not a concern when using HCG )..

IV absorbs the fastest .. Than IM .. and than sub-Q ..



Merc.

[Merc.]

You have been told that many times not to cycle yet you dont listen and start new threads in the hope people wont remember what your really like,
stop being stupid and listen to the advice from people who know what they are doing, if you dont want to take the advice thats fine but for jesus sake stop making new threads every 2 mins.
You have only been bodybuilding for 10-12 months,
Your 22yrs old,
Your diet is awfull and i mean bad,
You have no idea about foods or eating to build muscle,
You shouldnt be cycling, you should concentrate on your diet, training and build some base to work off,
Your going to damage yourself.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=393858
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=395774
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=403584
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=407758

TRUTH ^^^^^^




Merc.

[KimboHalfSlice]

I have done my first 3-4 pokes of HCG and have only noticed slight discomfort. I get a good pinch of fat and inject into it and virtually feel no pain...

Good stuff, looks like I'll be injecting my hCG subcutaneously

By the way what volume are you injecting at once? I think I'm gonna reconstitute my hCG with about 2.8cc of bacteriostatic water so that I'll only be injecting 0.1cc at a time (and 0.1cc will be equal to about 180iu of hCG). I'll shoot that every other day.

[hankdiesel]

I've done both and prefer sub q. It's nearly painless if you do it right (quick jab) and cuts down on scar tissue in other places.

[dec11]

this kid is really startn to fukn bore me, take the advice marcus gave you and stop actn the prick

[KimboHalfSlice]

this kid is really startn to fukn bore me, take the advice marcus gave you and stop actn the prick

Normally I don't respond to posts of this nature, but I'm gonna explain myself better to people here and give you all an update on where I currently am.

First of all, some current stats:
1) I'm 22 years old
2) I've been working out for 1 year and 2 months
3) I've done one steroid cycle (Test on its own), and I did PCT

When I started working out, and when I ended up deciding to do my first cycle, I really thought that steroids were the best thing going for me. I was wrong, and since then I've learned better.

It took a long time to sink in, but I realised something. All bodybuilders that are really big all hark on about the same thing: Diet. For some reason, newbies just find it hard to accept that diet is the golden egg in this game. Maybe eating and watching your food just seems like too much effort if you've been eating recklessly for the last few decades. But now I've accepted the fact that diet is the major part of bodybuilding.

My diet was terrible. Yes, I realise that. I've reached the point where I've decided I want to educate myself on all the different types of foods (protein, complex carbs, all that stuff). I don't just want to be given a list of things to eat, I want to understand why I should eat what. I want to understand why bodybuilders want carbs, why they want protein.

I know a really big bodybuilder at my local gym, he's the first and last thing you notice when you walk in. He's a really quiet nice guy, keeps to himself mostly unless you try to start a conversation. Anyway, I haven't seen him at the gym for a while... (maybe he trains at 6am or maybe he trains at 9pm). I've been walking into my local gym about 5 times a day trying to get a hold of this guy because I want to ask him for diet advice. Since he lives in the same town as me, he can even show me where he buys his stuff, how he cooks it and so forth. He can tell me what types of food to avoid, and tell me which restaurants serve decent food (people tend to eat out very often where I live because the food is so cheap, for instance you can get a steak dinner in a restaurant for US$3.50).

Let me address some issues that have been brought up:
1) My age : Some people think that 22 years old is too young to be taking AAS. And then there are others who think you should wait until you're 18 or 19, or 20. There's always going to be debate on this issue, and in the end only the individual steroid user can decide for themselves.
2) My weightlifting experience : Some people think that 14 months isn't long enough to start taking AAS. Well, as you know, there's a few people who have taken AAS from the very first week they started training (I know one such guy) and they haven't had problems with tendons snapping or anything like that. There's people who say to wait a few weeks. There's people who say to wait a few months. And then you have the people who say to wait a few years. Who's right? Well I suppose it all depends on how patient you are. I myself waited about 9 months. Again, it's up to the individual steroid user to decide how patient they want to be.
3) "I'm going to damage myself" : Looking at this from a purely pharmcological viewpoint, steroids are no more dangerous to skinny people than they are to a 200-pound bodybuilder. Really, they're not. A skinny person's HPTA is no more vulnerable than the HPTA of a 200-pound bodybuilder. It has been said that skinny people are more at risk of tendon damage, but this is blown way out of proportion. Anyone can experience tendon damage if they lift heavy weight regularly. Whenever I do sets of 5 reps I end up getting sore tendons after about a month or so. I then bring the reps back up to about 15 and the soreness disappears over time, then I'm ready to go back down to 5 reps for a while.

I finished my first cycle 2 and half months ago. I plan on waiting a further 1 and a half months before starting my next cycle.

So I've got 1 and a half months to give my diet a total overhaul. I've been taking small steps such as not eating the french fries when I go out for steak, and right now I'm searching the web to learn about the different kinds of foods and how they relate to bodybuilding. I'm trying to get my hands on that bodybuilder guy because he'll be able to show me exactly what he eats (and whatever he eats is definitely working for him).

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So look, you might not agree with what I'm doing, but you can't say that I haven't put thought into it, or that I'm being reckless, or that I haven't educated myself.

And there's another point I'd like to bring up: Educational threads such not be destroyed simply for the sake of having a go at someone. For instance, look at the thread I started recently entitled "Dilute your hCG with gear instead of using water". At least one person who responded in that thread was actually quite interested in the idea, but as soon as the gang came in to hurl insults at me, nobody responded and nobody learned anything. Who knows, it could have been an interesting discussion and everyone might have learned from it.

Another person has said that he's sick of me starting new threads. Well excuse me but that's exactly what you're supposed to do when you come up with a new topic. For instance, if I want to talk about injecting hCG subcutaneously, I'm hardly going to post in a thread that's to do with taking Caber to fend off Deca Dick. Really, cut me some slack.

[Misery13]

wow...you seem to be lost...read more...and listen to the people on here trying to warn you...but hey to each his own I guess live and learn...

[*El Diablo*]

No need to wait for the body builder guy, go read here.... U can educate yourself, sometimes the truth hurts a little. Marcus tried helping u several times in ur threads and u carry on?. There is ALOT of reason why young boys shouldnt mess with AAS. And if u dont know that, then u havent done much research yourself......

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

[KimboHalfSlice]

No need to wait for the body builder guy, go read here.... U can educate yourself, sometimes the truth hurts a little. Marcus tried helping u several times in ur threads and u carry on?. There is ALOT of reason why young boys shouldnt mess with AAS. And if u dont know that, then u havent done much research yourself......

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

It's a bit daunting when people post an entire diet, I sit there like "where the hell am I gonna get this stuff, how will I cook it, how do I store it". I think it will be a lot easier for me if I can actually see the food in front of me in real life. But yeah I'll definitely hang around the diet forum.

Maybe you can all relate to this because you were all beginners at one point, but it's a bit of daunting task to go from "eating leisurely" to having to pick your foods strategically and eat them a specified times of the day. I suppose it's worth it for the rewards, I'll see how it goes.

[*El Diablo*]

It's a bit daunting when people post an entire diet, I sit there like "where the hell am I gonna get this stuff, how will I cook it, how do I store it". I think it will be a lot easier for me if I can actually see the food in front of me in real life. But yeah I'll definitely hang around the diet forum.

Maybe you can all relate to this because you were all beginners at one point, but it's a bit of daunting task to go from "eating leisurely" to having to pick your foods strategically and eat them a specified times of the day. I suppose it's worth it for the rewards, I'll see how it goes.

^^ Please explain that, coz i cant seem to grasp the whole "where the hell am i gonna get this stuff, how will i cook it, how do i store it" rubbish
Also tell us how old u are............................

[KimboHalfSlice]

^^ Please explain that, coz i cant seem to grasp the whole "where the hell am i gonna get this stuff, how will i cook it, how do i store it" rubbish

I live in one of the South East Asian countries, not Thailand. It's poor here, not like the big cities in Thailand where you can get Western food on every street corner.

I could give you a motorbike and let you drive around the town where I live -- and if you can find a place within 1 hour that sells Western food then I'll give you $100.

The bodybuilder guy, (actually his name is Geoff now that I remember), lives in the same town as me and he obviously has no problem getting food so he'd be a great person to talk to. Maybe he drives out of town to a meat market or something.

The local food is shite... their meals are 60% white rice and then they just throw in noodles or chunks of pork or something like that.

If I was back in my home country I'd just go to the supermarket and look for the meat section, the fish section, etc.. I ain't got that luxury here.

[*El Diablo*]

I live in one of the South East Asian countries, not Thailand. It's poor here, not like the big cities in Thailand where you can get Western food on every street corner.

I could give you a motorbike and let you drive around the town where I live for -- and if you can find a place within 1 hour that sells Western food then I'll give you $100.

The bodybuilder guy, (actually his name is Geoff now that I remember), lives in the same town as me and he obviously has no problem getting food so he'd be a great person to talk to.

The local food is shite... their meals are 60% white rice and then they just throw in noodles or chunks of pork or something like that.

If I was back in my home country I'd just go to the supermarket and look for the meat section, the fish section, etc.. I ain't got that luxury here.

WOW.. No supermarkets but a Gym?
Do they sells supplements in your village?

[KimboHalfSlice]

I have to go to Bangkok to buy supplements such as Whey Protein (or I can order them over the Internet and have them delivered).

Funnily enough though, it's pretty easy to get Testosterone in the pharmacies, presumably because of its legitimate medical uses, but there isn't a single place that stocks protein powder. They even have Deca in the pharmacies here, maybe it's for AIDS patients or something.

There's actually one store in town that sells western food, but the prices are so ridiculous that you only ever see chauffeurs drop off a maid to do the shopping. I went in one time and saw that they wanted $13 for a can of my favourite baked beans... I realised it wasn't my kind of store. I've actually being considering moving to one of the bigger cities in Thailand but I gotta save some money here before I shoot off again.

Anyway I'm talking too much. I'll let you know how it goes when I get a hold of Geoff, he'll probably take me out to his back yard and show me where he kills the cows

[marcus300]

You have been told that many times not to cycle yet you dont listen and start new threads in the hope people wont remember what your really like,
stop being stupid and listen to the advice from people who know what they are doing, if you dont want to take the advice thats fine but for jesus sake stop making new threads every 2 mins.
You have only been bodybuilding for 10-12 months,
Your 22yrs old,
Your diet is awfull and i mean bad,
You have no idea about foods or eating to build muscle,
You shouldnt be cycling, you should concentrate on your diet, training and build some base to work off,
Your going to damage yourself.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=393858
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=395774
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=403584
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=407758

[marcus300]

If your not going to take the advice stop posting questions, its pointless.

How the hell can we take you serious when you act so reckless,

stop being a stupid immature kid.

[KimboHalfSlice]

You have been told that many times not to cycle yet you dont listen

I've been advised not to cycle by small minority of individuals on this forum. When I signed up to this forum, I read the rules, and I didn't read anything about being obligated to take all advice that is given on this forum.

and start new threads in the hope people wont remember what your really like

If I don't want people to remember who I am then why do I have an avatar? Nothing joggs one's memory more than an avatar. People see the picture of almonds and they know exactly who they're dealing with. I'm not trying to hide anything.

stop being stupid and listen to the advice from people who know what they are doing, if you dont want to take the advice thats fine

I wish this were the case, but obviously it isn't since you still feel the need to interrupt every thread I post in.

but for jesus sake stop making new threads every 2 mins.

So if I want to ask a question about re-constituting hCG with a steroid oil, where do I ask it? If I want to ask if it's OK to inject hCG subcutaneously, where should I ask it?

You have only been bodybuilding for 10-12 months

The actual figure is 14 months, as I asserted in the post I made at 6:08pm in this thread.

Your diet is awfull and i mean bad

Again, I discuss my diet in the post I made at 6:08pm in this thread.

Your going to damage yourself.

I addressed this point at 6:08pm, but I'll reiterate here: Steroids are no safer for a 200-pound bodybuilder than they are for your average Joe on the street.

If your not going to take the advice stop posting questions, its pointless.

I never said that I won't take advice. I have the free will to accept or reject any advice that's given to me. Just because I haven't taken your advice doesn't mean I haven't taken anyone else's. Just today I took someone's advice on injecting hCG subcutaneously. A while back I took someone else's advice on using Aromasin to keep water weight down.

How the hell can we take you serious when you act so reckless

It's blatantly obvious that only a small minority of the people here think I'm reckless. Just look at how many views this thread has gotten, and then count how many people have posted here in agreement with you.

stop being a stupid immature kid.

Are the threads I start really that irritating? I mean is it really that irritating for someone to ask opinions on re-constituting hCG with steroid oil? Or is it irritating for someone to ask which anti-estrogen drug is safe to take daily for months on end? You only have to read the titles of the threads I've started to see that I was genuinely seeking information.

I haven't harassed anyone on this board, I haven't insulted anyone, and I haven't broken any rules. If you don't like me then you can simply ignore me.

Really, you can just simply ignore me.

Really.

No joke.

Ignore me.

[marcus300]

How many times do we have to tell you?

You have no base to be using steroids, you have been training 12 months, that is no base to work off.

Your to young, no matter what you seem to think you have enough natural testosterone floating around to make good gains and its not worth risking causing damage to your HPTA, its not full developed. Your going from one cycle to the next without any regard to what your doing.

Your diet is awfull, it takes time to adjust someones diet and get use to foods what build muscle,

You should listen to people who know what they are doing and stop acting like a child posting every 5 mins until you read what you want to hear, if your not going to take any of it in stop bloody posting.

I will carry on and on posting what is right but I cant wait for the thread were you have low test, small testicles, not gaining muscle and depressed

[marcus300]

You diet is rubbish, you shouldnt be cycling

You have been training for only 12 months, you shouldnt be cycling

Your to young, your HPTA hasnt fully developed and you have enough natural test, not worth the damage, you shouldnt be cycling


None of the above are questionable

[KimboHalfSlice]

How many times do we have to tell you?

You have no base to be using steroids, you have been training 12 months, that is no base to work off.

Fair enough, give advice, but don't be disingenuous. It's a lie to state that steroids are only effective if you're already muscular (or "have a base" as you call it). If steroids weren't affective on skinny people then they wouldn't be shooting them into AIDS patients.

I know a guy who starting juicing no longer than 7 days after he first picked up a weight, and he put on a shit load of muscle. Now I'm not suggesting that everyone go on the juice after 5 days of training, but at the same time I'm not going to lie about what I witnessed.

Your to young

I'm 22. You think I'm too young. Fair enough, up to you, you're entitled to hold your own opinion.

no matter what you seem to think you have enough natural testosterone floating around to make good gains

Yes I've got plenty of natural testosterone... but of course natural testosterone levels will never compare to taking Test, Deca and D-bol.

and its not worth risking causing damage to your HPTA, its not full developed.

Again this is my risk to take. I've seen the statistics and they're more than acceptable. Only less than 1% of men have HPTA problems after a cycle, and I'm reducing the risks further by taking hCG.

Your going from one cycle to the next without any regard to what your doing.

If I'd no regard for my own health then I'd stay on juice all-year-round. But I've been off for 2 and a half months and I'm staying off for another month and a half.

Your diet is awfull, it takes time to adjust someones diet and get use to foods what build muscle

Diet is one piece of the puzzle. Working out is another piece. And steroids are another piece also. I'm currently working on all three.

You should listen to people who know what they are doing and stop acting like a child posting every 5 mins until you read what you want to hear, if your not going to take any of it in stop bloody posting.

I've post asking very simple questions. I haven't been asking "Oh should I cycle or not?", I've been asking very specific questions such as "Which anti-estrogen is safe to take for 12 weeks straight?". Everyone posts threads like that.

I will carry on and on posting what is right

Fair enough, I'll just have to ignore you then.

but I cant wait for the thread were you have low test, small testicles, not gaining muscle and depressed

Now you let yourself down. Up until now you've been trying to help me out, but now you've expressed that you want to see me come into hardship.

Really I'm amazed at the kinds of people who are appointed as moderators on this forum. Wasn't there a moderator just recently who wiped out someone's post and replaced it with "im gay". Class act?

Anyway it's hitting 1am here so I'm gonna go to bed. Marcus, you're not obligated to reply to me... really enough has been said. You've made your stance clear, and I've made my stance clear. Since neither is going to budge we should just ignore each other. Or if you want I'll do all the work and just ignore you.

[chuckt12345]

at least drop that doses down man since its obvious you gonna do this,, first deca run then go 300 or 400wk

[KimboHalfSlice]

at least drop that doses down man since its obvious you gonna do this,, first deca run then go 300 or 400wk

Chuck I'd shake your hand if you were sitting in front of me. That's sound advice.

I was thinking of starting Deca at 250mg and Test at 250mg for the first week, and then slowly upping it to maybe Deca at 500mg and Test at 500mg depending on how tolerable the side effects are.

Really I have to say I'm impressed that you gave me advice even though you may not agree with what I'm doing. Good going.

And I'm off to bed. . .

[chuckt12345]

Chuck I'd shake your hand if you were sitting in front of me. That's sound advice.

I was thinking of starting Deca at 250mg and Test at 250mg for the first week, and then slowly upping it to maybe Deca at 500mg and Test at 500mg depending on how tolerable the side effects are.

Really I have to say I'm impressed that you gave me advice even though you may not agree with what I'm doing. Good going.

And I'm off to bed. . .

i dont agree but im not your mom,, and if i lived where you lived id prb be shootin up smack to cope

[marcus300]

The correct advice is not to cycle, reason being your diet is rubbish and you have no base, you need a natural base to work off and 12 months worth of training isnt the correct amount of time for your body to get use to the training and adapt, this takes time to strengthen your tendons and connective tissue, you need to use your natural test and build some natural muscle which will be a far better way to maintain gains when you do start to cycle. also i would bet money your not training right.

Your diet is rubbish and i mean awfull, its pointless to even go on a cycle and it takes time to sort a good diet out, you have no idea and go against everything what many people tell you to do, all you do is pick out the guys who tell you to cycle, probably those guys are young aswell because there isnt a correct way for you to cycle, there are to many things wrong with the whole process.

Cant wait for your thread about small testicles and low test, lol