I disagree when it comes to tren. You stated earlier that you were 15%-17% two days ago now your 14%? You need to be more accurate when it comes to stats. I've seen here when people say they are 13-17% bf are usually at 20%, not saying that about you but it does happen. Having said that, I know plenty of people that take roids that are 20%, but they are about 260 lbs and very muscular. But with tren your tend to get more sides with higher bf%.