Confused on type of PCT

[Smallnaturalbuilder]

I'm a little bit confused on PCT. After spending hours reading about it here, it seems like there are contradicting theories about how to do PCT. On one hand you got Pinnacle's sticky, which says you should start HCG and Nolvadex right after the week of your last cycle shot, but you got the "classic" supporters in another sticky saying you should wait 3 weeks before you start the Clomid and Nolva. (That's depending on the type of steroid you are using, and it's half life, of course).

What should I do, considering this will be my second cycle??

I'm planning on doing Test. Enanthate/Deca/D-bol.

Should I use Letrozole on that combo, then switch to Aromasin for Pinnacle's PCT, or should I just stop and wait for the classic Clomid/Nolva combo.

I'm also confused because I saw that very same PCT protocol by Anthony Roberts on another page.

[D7M]

I'm a little bit confused on PCT. After spending hours reading about it here, it seems like there are contradicting theories about how to do PCT. On one hand you got Pinnacle's sticky, which says you should start HCG and Nolvadex right after the week of your last cycle shot, but you got the "classic" supporters in another sticky saying you should wait 3 weeks before you start the Clomid and Nolva. (That's depending on the type of steroid you are using, and it's half life, of course).

What should I do, considering this will be my second cycle??

I'm planning on doing Test. Enanthate/Deca/D-bol.

Should I use Letrozole on that combo, then switch to Aromasin for Pinnacle's PCT, or should I just stop and wait for the classic Clomid/Nolva combo.

I'm also confused because I saw that very same PCT protocol by Anthony Roberts on another page.

Run HCG during your cycle.

Use an AI if needed.

Two weeks after your last test shot, I'd run the "classic clomid/nolva combo"

[Smallnaturalbuilder]

Run HCG during your cycle.

Use an AI if needed.

Two weeks after your last test shot, I'd run the "classic clomid/nolva combo"

Thanks for the answer, but would like for you to elaborate a little bit more on why the classic version, and not Pinnacle's.

[tballz]

You'll hear a lot of opinions on pct which just means there is some leeway with pct. I use clomid/nolva for every pct. Depending on the aas ester is when you will start the pct.

With your cycle, two weeks after last shot is right.

[D7M]

Thanks for the answer, but would like for you to elaborate a little bit more on why the classic version, and not Pinnacle's.

Can you recover with nolva only? Sure. In fact, I have.

But clomid can do things that nolva can't. Read up on the profiles for more info.

[Smallnaturalbuilder]

Can you recover with nolva only? Sure. In fact, I have.

But clomid can do things that nolva can't. Read up on the profiles for more info.

Thanks for the answer. I'm gonna use the Clomid, because it apparently does better in increasing GnRh than Nolvadex. However, I would like to read your standing on the issue of "timing".

Pinnacle says that the minute you finish your cycle is when you should be starting PCT, since it makes no sense to wait for the steroid metabolites to clear off your body. On the other hand, most people say that when those metabolites are still circling your organism, the use of Clomid or Nolva is somehow neutralized by a negative feedback since your body still thinks it has too much testosterone and therefore the effect of those SERM's is blocked.

What do you think about that?

[marcus300]

There are many methods and protocols of PCT, there isnt just one what will do the job best for everybody, it takes time and looking back over your PCT protocols will help you decide if you need to try a different approach.

[Smallnaturalbuilder]

There are many methods and protocols of PCT, there isnt just one what will do the job best for everybody, it takes time and looking back over your PCT protocols will help you decide if you need to try a different approach.

I definitely understand that, but it would certainly help to read the insight of the more experienced guys like yourself and D7M.

I know you guys may not have too much time to answer newbie questions with extended paragraphs, but just a a quick answer would be beneficial for someone like me.

I already know that Aromasin tends to be favored here for ON CYCLE. I'm a little bit interested on Letrozole also. I've read that it is too strong and many hinder cycle gains because of it's nearly total shutdown of estrogen. However, it also posses great ability to increase IGF-1

My question is....does the effect of reducing estrogen that much negates the possible benefits one could get with the increase of IGF-1??

[D7M]

Thanks for the answer. I'm gonna use the Clomid, because it apparently does better in increasing GnRh than Nolvadex. However, I would like to read your standing on the issue of "timing".

Pinnacle says that the minute you finish your cycle is when you should be starting PCT, since it makes no sense to wait for the steroid metabolites to clear off your body. On the other hand, most people say that when those metabolites are still circling your organism, the use of Clomid or Nolva is somehow neutralized by a negative feedback since your body still thinks it has too much testosterone and therefore the effect of those SERM's is blocked.

What do you think about that?

I would wait until the suppressive compound clears my system to begin pct.

It's would be difficult to restart your natural test production while you still have exogenous test floating around, right?

I definitely understand that, but it would certainly help to read the insight of the more experienced guys like yourself and D7M.

I know you guys may not have too much time to answer newbie questions with extended paragraphs, but just a a quick answer would be beneficial for someone like me.

I already know that Aromasin tends to be favored here for ON CYCLE. I'm a little bit interested on Letrozole also. I've read that it is too strong and many hinder cycle gains because of it's nearly total shutdown of estrogen. However, it also posses great ability to increase IGF-1

My question is....does the effect of reducing estrogen that much negates the possible benefits one could get with the increase of IGF-1??

It sounds like you've been reading, which is good. But it also sounds like you're over thinking things now.

On cycle, I wouldn't use an AI unless needed.

And I don't think Letro will raise IGF levels enough to see any noticeable effects.

[bowtie]

What about this? Any comments?

"Proviron cures the problem of aromatization at the root while Nolvadex simply cures the symptoms." Proviron in moderate doses has been shown to be remarkably safe and free of side effects in most men. If you must use an anti-estrogen, Proviron is the way go.

[D7M]

Great you read that silly article on clomid where the author kept calling clomid an AI.

Proviron does have some good AI properties. But if you want to discuss that more, you can run a search or start your own thread.

[Smallnaturalbuilder]

I would wait until the suppressive compound clears my system to begin pct.

It's would be difficult to restart your natural test production while you still have exogenous test floating around, right?




It sounds like you've been reading, which is good. But it also sounds like you're over thinking things now.

On cycle, I wouldn't use an AI unless needed.

And I don't think Letro will raise IGF levels enough to see any noticeable effects.

Nice....So for such a proposed cycle of Test E/Deca/D-bol, the best way to go would be to have Aromasin on hand and run the cycle wihout the AI, and only use it if necessary, if I got you right. I honestly would not know what to look for as a sign of incoming gyno or whatever. Last cycle, I ran doses of over 500mg and didn't feel nothing rare. It was only Test E, though!!

As for PCT, I think I'm gonna run the Clomid/Nolva combo after the 3 weeks, and add the Aromasin. I could run the HCG the last weeks also.