ok for an example, what type of cycle would you suggest someone like mike mentzer would have used in the more advanced stages of his career? would you be inclined to believe he was using GH and things like that? or would he just purely be on test due to being an 'old school' pro? What about lee labrada? he looked incredible in his day and didnt have the 'GH appearance' to his physique if you know what i mean.