Am I ready for Tren?

[gymnerd]

I have been reading so many threads on Tren each week. It seems to be the same questions over and over again. Tren can be less harsh if you follow a few basic rules, some of these rules can vary for each individual, for example the dosage you’re taking.

1.) This is not made for your first cycle!!! At least have 3-4 cycles under your belt and at least one with short esters so that you know you are able to inject in numerous areas. Totally agree.

2.) Use Tren A for your first time so if the sides are too extreme you can have it flushed out of your system within a few days, if you use Tren E it can take up to two weeks for the sides to dissipate. Some will have terrible sides with ace and none with enanthate also it take two wks for the compound to completely clear the system not sides, hate this suggestion.

3.) Run test with it, never run it alone. If you run it alone it will shut you down and you could (I said could, not it will happen) permanently shut yourself down. Many reasons to run test but,Test does absolutely nothing to prevent permanent shut down.


4.) Have Caber or Bromo on hand, I can guarantee you will want one of these two on hand, this for you prolactin levels and should be taken at the being of your cycle until you’re done. Controlling estro levels will do more to prevent gyno than either or prami.


5.) You should inject Tren A ED, the reason for this it will help keep you sides down and it will keep you blood levels stable. I know a few that have ran it EOD and changed to ED and there sides had decreased. Which is why Enanthate is a better choice to begin with,.


These last two are personal choices that have worked for me and others, they are not carved in stone but it’s a tool for your bag.

1.) Run your test lower then your tren, you are taking tren to get the results from that and the test is run so that don’t permanently shut yourself down. I know a few Vets that run there test equal or higher, this is personal choice and something you will have to play with. Complete bro science.

2.) I like to stop Tren a week before I stop my test, I mainly do this so that tren is totally out of my system before I stop my test and start my PCT. That really depend on the esters used.

If people disagree with anything or have better suggestions please let me know here

I think most or all replies are generic, bro science just my .002

[TITANIUM]

I think most or all replies are generic, bro science just my .002

There is Science, and there is Experience.

Rana is speaking from both, especially Experience.

There is no substitute for experience.

Knowing how to use them both together is key.

I feel he has done this exceptionally well.

Best

T

[RANA]

I appreciate your opinions but on some of your replies.

I.E. regarding #2 and the sides. By having tren in your system this will contribute to your sides. There is no exact time when the sides will stop after your last injections but it would more then likely continue if it's still in your system. They may fade as time passes

I would have to disagree regarding #3, I have not ran tren by itself and I won't but having spoken to numerous individuals that have tren by itself has totally shut them down. I would not risk taking tren without test and to give advise to someone that has not ran tren is not fare to them. Why take a chance?

Regarding #5, why? When running tren A and you need to stop it's much easier with a short ester then a long ester. If someone is running Tren E and 4 weeks into if the sides are unbarable and you want to stop it will take a while before they do.

Part two of my thread:
Regarding #1 - "Complete bro science" I'm not sure what this means?

Regarding #2 - In my statement it pertains to Tren A

There is Science, and there is Experience.

Rana is speaking from both, especially Experience.

There is no substitute for experience.

Knowing how to use them both together is key.

I feel he has done this exceptionally well.

Best

T

Thanks, this is by my experience and numerous interviews with Vets that have ran Tren

[gymnerd]

I appreciate your opinions but on some of your replies.

I.E. regarding #2 and the sides. By having tren in your system this will contribute to your sides. There is no exact time when the sides will stop after your last injections but it would more then likely continue if it's still in your system. They may fade as time passes

I would have to disagree regarding #3, I have not ran tren by itself and I won't but having spoken to numerous individuals that have tren by itself has totally shut them down. I would not risk taking tren without test and to give advise to someone that has not ran tren is not fare to them. Why take a chance?

Regarding #5, why? When running tren A and you need to stop it's much easier with a short ester then a long ester. If someone is running Tren E and 4 weeks into if the sides are unbearable and you want to stop it will take a while before they do.

Part two of my thread:
Regarding #1 - "Complete bro science" I'm not sure what this means?

Regarding #2 - In my statement it pertains to Tren A



Thanks, this is by my experience and numerous interviews with Vets that have ran Tren

I was not contesting what you were saying it was the right answers to give or at least the most popular my point was just that alot of people deamonize tren enath and in reallity tren ace is stronger and is more difficult to keep blood levels stable etc the ONLY reason not to run enath for your first run with tren is because it does stay in your system longer than ace.

Now, I think that the sides with tren are over blown at least at normal doses I just ran Tren enthate n for my first run with tren and ran ace at the end I did EOD and ED and saw no difference between them and got more sides from the ace I dont have the experiance with the compound that some here do but I was just looking to give a different perspective. Can anyone remember anyone saying they ran enath for their first run and now the sides were killing them because its been two wks I have not seen it once.

I just think its easier for a beginer to keep levels stable with enanthate than ACE especially for someone who is not that experianced and does not want to do ED injections. Much respect

[ranging1]

I think most or all replies are generic, bro science just my .002

to gym nerds suggestions to RANAS post

though acetate may take 2 weeks to clear ur system its a better option to run rather then the ethantahe versions, since if you were to discontinue using the acetate ester (if sides were to hard to handle) it would clear ur system faster then the ethanthate ester

if you were to opt for an ethantate ester and sides were to arise, its can take alot longer for the compound to clear the system, meaning the sides will continue for alot longer

agree the test does nothing to prevent shut down, but i think RANA was reffering to keeping ur sex drive alive and not shut down

though controlling estro does do more to prevent gyno, prolactin levels have been shown to elevate and worsen estorgenic side effects

contollling prolactin is vital to help prevent estorgenic side effects arising, using something to directly combat estrogenic side effects isnt effective if prolactin levels are promoting them

just take a look at a pregnant women, when their pregnant prolacin levels are high which promotes estrogenic side effects in them,


agree with ur complete bro science since it is, i think what needs to be adressed is why after discontinueing both test and tren at the end of ur cycle (which ever ester you choose), u should discontinue ur tren ester in a manner that will results in the tren clearing ur system faster then the testerone does

this would allow better recovery of the HPTA since tren is more suprresive then test, but also becuase if tren clears the body before the test it will allow for better recovery both physicaly and psycologicaly

reasons why is u will expereince less tren sides towards end of ur cycle

but also becuase if tren clears the system before testerone, once test levels fall below baseline the HPTA system can begin to recover on PCT since tren will not be suppressing it (hopefully)

if test levels fall below baseline BUT tren is still presently high in ur system the HPTA cannot recover, and u can be stuck suppressed with no sex drive and of course fina dick


also the use of shorter esters is better for PCT protocol, since the esters will clear the system faster

following a normal PCT protocol, dosages are higher of both nolva and clomid becuase they are helping to combat the rapid fall in androgens, aswell as huge estrogen levels, plus promote HPTA recovery

if longer esters are used this PCT protocol is incorrect for the first week or 2, becuase longer esters take longer to clear the system (halve lives), meaning the standard PCT protocol wouldnt work for it since in a time where ur using both nolvadex and clomid, ur still have above baseline hormones levels, meaning ur HPTA still isnt recovering

^^^^ but maybe PCT protocol is for another thread

what im addressing here is using shorter esters is better catered to the comman PCT protocols advised on this board

longer esters i think need to be catered for