Which supplements are a MUST?

[dec11]

Well those books are wrong.

they have blind trials and discovered that some of the placebo group actually exceled the bcaa group

[IM708]

they have blind trials and discovered that some of the placebo group actually exceled the bcaa group

then post it

[Friend]

Multi Vitamin
Zinc
Vitamin C
Whey Protein
Flaxseed Oil

[dec11]

then post it

i can post you the book title.Supplements for Strength-Power Athletes by Jose Antonio and Jeffrey R. Stout (Paperback - Jun 2002) and just about anything by Anita Bean

i also have been using supps for 19yrs and neva felt any benefit from taking bcaa's, this kinda confirmed it for me.

[IM708]

i can post you the book title.Supplements for Strength-Power Athletes by Jose Antonio and Jeffrey R. Stout (Paperback - Jun 2002) and just about anything by Anita Bean

i also have been using supps for 19yrs and neva felt any benefit from taking bcaa's, this kinda confirmed it for me.

I don't care how many years you have been doing this for. Personal experience doesn't matter to me either, too much bias involved. Science is what matters.

Here's 5 studies showing as to why bcaas are beneficial.

[gunslinger2]

bcaa's are protein pure and simple. You can take 10,000 mgs of aminos and at a basic level you have 10 grams of protein. There are certain aminos that you don't get much from foods and they might be worth adding but not at the price GNC charges.

If you eat a wide range of protein foods such as milk, eggs, chicken, beef and fish on a regular you will get 99% of all the aminos you will need from food. Taking 20 horse pills per day is a waste of time and money that could be better spent on other things like food.

[IM708]

bcaa's are protein pure and simple. You can take 10,000 mgs of aminos and at a basic level you have 10 grams of protein. There are certain aminos that you don't get much from foods and they might be worth adding but not at the price GNC charges.

If you eat a wide range of protein foods such as milk, eggs, chicken, beef and fish on a regular you will get 99% of all the aminos you will need from food. Taking 20 horse pills per day is a waste of time and money that could be better spent on other things like food.

Big difference between the two. Do a little research on the subject

[Swifto]

bcaa's are protein pure and simple. You can take 10,000 mgs of aminos and at a basic level you have 10 grams of protein. There are certain aminos that you don't get much from foods and they might be worth adding but not at the price GNC charges.

If you eat a wide range of protein foods such as milk, eggs, chicken, beef and fish on a regular you will get 99% of all the aminos you will need from food. Taking 20 horse pills per day is a waste of time and money that could be better spent on other things like food.

You'de have to eat a boat load of good to get 10g BCAA's and 10g Leucine to replicate my shake.

BCAA's (pure) will also enter the bloodstream quicker.

BCAA's all the way, I think Whey is outdated.

[gunslinger2]

Big difference between the two. Do a little research on the subject

I have for close to 20 years. You would be hard pressed to tell a difference in the real world. The big difference you speak of is not in aminos vs protein but what works in the real world vs in a lab. I will not spend hard earned cash on stuff that looks good on paper but seems to make no difference in the gym or mirror.

I have tried aminos, took them for years and you know what? A protein shake and a steak will do the same or better for far less. You do need BCAA's. But IMO its a waste of money to buy them.

Ever seen anyone get huge on BCAA's? No, and no one else has either. When I take 20 grams of glutamine per day I feel it. When I jack my protein up to 2 grams per lb of BW I feel it. What I take 40 amino tabs at a time the only thing I feel is my wallet getting lighter.

You argue science but wait...is this the same science that just a few years ago had people eating 70-80% carb diets? Is this the same science that a few years before that said no one needs more than 50 grams of protein per day? Is this the same science that said steroids don't promote faster or greater muscle gains? Yeah, you believe all that if you like, I'll stick with what I know actually does something through 17 hard years of training.

[dec11]

I don't care how many years you have been doing this for. Personal experience doesn't matter to me either, too much bias involved. Science is what matters.

Here's 5 studies showing as to why bcaas are beneficial.

well i rate what genuinely works and what needs to be supplemented in the first place, you'll get the same amino's from a pwo shake and also as stated above from diet so why spend on breeze blocks tht you are just gona excrete out anyway? the book title i've posted is scientific. in truth there are very little supp's that work, and being a self titled guru maybe you should know that.

[IM708]

well i rate what genuinely works and what needs to be supplemented in the first place

The supplement geniunely works, how can you deny that? A supplement that is a bullshit would be glutamine, no matter if you take it or not, it won't provide any additional benefit, bcaas will.

you'll get the same amino's from a pwo shake

To a degree, no shit but that's not what this arguement is about. This was solely about whether it actually works and it does.

and also as stated above from diet so why spend on breeze blocks tht you are just gona excrete out anyway?

I never said it was required in the diet, a perfect diet will get you all the aminos you need. Who has a perfect diet?

the book title i've posted is scientific. in truth there are very little supp's that work, and being a self titled guru maybe you should know that.

The supplement does work, so what fallacy's am I trying to pimp on other people?

[Swifto]

I don't care how many years you have been doing this for. Personal experience doesn't matter to me either, too much bias involved. Science is what matters.

Here's 5 studies showing as to why bcaas are beneficial.

Correct.

BCAA's work and so does added Leucine.

There is ample evidence supporting the above two claims.