short burst cycles vs long cycles

[bigrusks]

ok so i know a few people that have ran both short and long cycles and alot of people have recommended to me to try a short burst cycle (no longer than 4-6 weeks)

Their reasoning behind it is that shorter cycles dont damage ur hpta as much and hence you bounce back and rebound ur natural test very quickly after a short burst cycle and tend to keep more of your gains as opposed to a long cycle.

Alot of these same guys have claimed they have put on 10-12 pounds and have kept almost every pound after their cycles, claiming only to have droped no more than 2-3 pounds.

What are your opinions on short cycles?

Im thinking of running a short cycle for 5 weeks of test prop/ tren ace at the following dosages...

test prop x 5 weeks at 1ml eod
tren ace x 5 weeks at 0.75ml eod

pct would be

Nolva at 40mgs for the first 8 days followed by 20 mgs for the next 14 days
clomid at 25mgs for 8 days
natural test booster (tribulus) taken for a month
creatine, l glutamine

my stats are
age: 24
height; 5'11"
lifting exp: 5 years
weight: 190 pounds
bf: 8%

any improvements/suggestions on this guys and can anyone shed any light on short cycles vs long cycles would be very much appreciated!

[DR T]

Curious to hear some feedback on this too- a pro bodybuilder out here apparently cycles 4 weeks on 4 weeks off all year long, but I highly doubt his endocrine system ever fully recovers...
Imput anybody?

[D7M]

Short burst cycles are incredible when used properly.

You must prime first, imo; 4 weeks is too short; you'll want to pin ED, not EOD; you don't want a 19nor in a short burst either, imo.

What's your cycle experience?

I think alot of guys out there just try to run prop for 4-5 weeks and think they are doing a burst cycle, and are probably disappointed with the results.

Burst cycles are not for the intermediate user, imo.

[marcus300]

Short burst cycles are incredible when used properly.

You must prime first, imo; 4 weeks is too short; you'll want to pin ED, not EOD; you don't want a 19nor in a short burst either, imo.

What's your cycle experience?

I think alot of guys out there just try to run prop for 4-5 weeks and think they are doing a burst cycle, and are probably disappointed with the results.

Burst cycles are not for the intermediate user, imo.

I agree with D7M, when they are implemented correctly short burst cycle can be very beneficial but designing one to suit you and incorporating a prime before the cycle are the 2 keys to sucess

[Ghost84]

So how would a short burst cycle look like? Give me the general idea!

[Hard.On]

would someone doing a cycle like this be cruising on test?

[marcus300]

There are many ways to run a short burst cycle, but the basic principles are to prime the body 6-8 weeks before the cycle which will create a very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow, design a cycle with compounds what you have used before with success and hit them harder than usual, the dosage will differ between individuals and worked off your cycle history. Make sure you finish on short esters so PCT can start straight away or for those who cruise you can go right into cruise dose.

Normally short burst cycles are only for the advanced but you can still implement them if you design them correctly with a dose what suits your stage.

[dece870717]

Short burst cycles are incredible when used properly.

You must prime first, imo; 4 weeks is too short; you'll want to pin ED, not EOD; you don't want a 19nor in a short burst either, imo.

What's your cycle experience?

I think alot of guys out there just try to run prop for 4-5 weeks and think they are doing a burst cycle, and are probably disappointed with the results.

Burst cycles are not for the intermediate user, imo.

What about 4 weeks with high dose test suspension? Considering how fast that stuff works. I would think that blood concentrations would get high enough quick enough and gains start within days.

[D7M]

What about 4 weeks with high dose test suspension? Considering how fast that stuff works. I would think that blood concentrations would get high enough quick enough and gains start within days.

Sure, depending on the person's cycle and training experience.

I'd still like at least 6 weeks.

[FranciscoG]

There are many ways to run a short burst cycle, but the basic principles are to prime the body 6-8 weeks before the cycle which will create a very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow, design a cycle with compounds what you have used before with success and hit them harder than usual, the dosage will differ between individuals and worked off your cycle history. Make sure you finish on short esters so PCT can start straight away or for those who cruise you can go right into cruise dose.

Normally short burst cycles are only for the advanced but you can still implement them if you design them correctly with a dose what suits your stage.

I agree.

I like 8 weeks on myself.

If your body does not upregulate myostatin till the 56th day why cut the cycle to only 42 day.

On the part in the bold I also agree and posted many times when you know your body it becomes a diff game.


Marcus got a PM.

[marcus300]

I agree.

I like 8 weeks on myself.

If your body does not upregulate myostatin till the 56th day why cut the cycle to only 42 day.

On the part in the bold I also agree and posted many times when you know your body it becomes a diff game.


Marcus got a PM.

Because everyone responds in a different way, if i go over 30 days with any burst cycle I suffer greatly with sides and recovery and this is the whole idea, I also put on weight each day but at around 25-30 days it starts to slow down drasticly so thats my limit, also i dont recommend hitting burst type dosages on a 6 or 8 wks cycle, i would advice short peroids but again not everyone responds the same and i know a few guys who run 6 wks SBC's with great gains and low sides, this is why you need to have some cycle history to look at to design the right cycle.

[Swifto]

Because everyone responds in a different way, if i go over 30 days with any burst cycle I suffer greatly with sides and recovery and this is the whole idea, I also put on weight each day but at around 25-30 days it starts to slow down drasticly so thats my limit, also i dont recommend hitting burst type dosages on a 6 or 8 wks cycle, i would advice short peroids but again not everyone responds the same and i know a few guys who run 6 wks SBC's with great gains and low sides, this is why you need to have some cycle history to look at to design the right cycle.

With a prime. What kind of doses would you suggest for a first time short burst cycle?

Someone thats familiar with AAS?

wk 1-4 Test Prop 150-200mg/ED
wk 1-4 Dbol 30mg/ED

[Ghost84]

How does priming work then?

[FranciscoG]

Because everyone responds in a different way, if i go over 30 days with any burst cycle I suffer greatly with sides and recovery and this is the whole idea, I also put on weight each day but at around 25-30 days it starts to slow down drasticly so thats my limit, also i dont recommend hitting burst type dosages on a 6 or 8 wks cycle, i would advice short peroids but again not everyone responds the same and i know a few guys who run 6 wks SBC's with great gains and low sides, this is why you need to have some cycle history to look at to design the right cycle.

After day 30ish I am also not gaining weight, but I do get harder. 1-2 weeks out of the burst, an intensive pct course helps keep it all or most anyways.

Most important is having cycle history, what dosages are you running?

I am running the same dosages, but just for short periods of time. I considered upping the dosages but really had no feed back from anyone.

Can you post your last few bursts?

[marcus300]

How does priming work then?

It creates an environment for the body to build muscle tissue by opneing the growth window, your simpley rebounding out of a restricted state- http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=231569

[marcus300]

After day 30ish I am also not gaining weight, but I do get harder. 1-2 weeks out of the burst, an intensive pct course helps keep it all or most anyways.

Most important is having cycle history, what dosages are you running?

I am running the same dosages, but just for short periods of time. I considered upping the dosages but really had no feed back from anyone.

Can you post your last few bursts?

Ive ran high burst cycles but I dont recommend anyone else to do what ive done, many of the times i was experimenting with myself to see what dosage worked the best vs sides, I dont want to post on the open board the dosages ive ran on a burst cycle because I dont want the newbies to get the wrong impression.

With short cycles you dont have to run dosages high at all, infact if the prime is done correctly just a noraml short cycle works great, normally short burst cycles are done by advance guys who need abit of a shock to the system to spring board them into new growth.