i need some help... any would be awesome

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

ok i am currently thinking of doing my second cycle of juice. my first cycle i used 10 mg of D-bol, and to 250 mg of Test Cyp. my second one i want to go a little more hardcore but not to much. i was thinking Deca and test Cyp. as for PCT goes i will be taking letrozole, cabergoline, and nolvadex. i need to know what yall think on this and suggestions on how, when and at what dosages to take. thank you and your help is appreciated

[D7M]

While this is being moved to the QA section:

age?
height?
weight?
body fat?
yrs training?

And that's a horrible pct

[Mooseman33]

and its not "juice" or "roids"

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

ok mybad guys im new to this site.
im 20
6'3
190
12% body fat
4 years of intense traing

and i have taken orals. and what kind of PCT do you suggest?

[Nooomoto]

1. You're too young.

2. That cycle you did was garbage, and I'm sure the next one you're planning is as well.

Stick around here and do some research. At 6'3" and 190 lbs you could use some work. There's a great diet section here with a bunch of guys that do nothing but think about food all day, they can help you out. After you get that sorted out head on over to the workout section and do some research there.

Good luck, bro.

[Hard.On]

1. You're too young.

2. That cycle you did was garbage, and I'm sure the next one you're planning is as well.

Stick around here and do some research. At 6'3" and 190 lbs you could use some work. There's a great diet section here with a bunch of guys that do nothing but think about food all day, they can help you out. After you get that sorted out head on over to the workout section and do some research there.

Good luck, bro.

Agreed,
Slow down my friend,
Research

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

GARBAGE??? ok maybe you werent hearing me right. IT WAS MY FIRST CYCLE and i was doing 500 mg of Test cyp/a week with 40 mg of d-bol a day. i have not purchased a cycle yet i am just looking around at all my options.

[Hard.On]

GARBAGE??? ok maybe you werent hearing me right. IT WAS MY FIRST CYCLE and i was doing 500 mg of Test cyp/a week with 40 mg of d-bol a day. i have not purchased a cycle yet i am just looking around at all my options.

Take it easy man
Your too young,
20 is way too young

if you did a cycle at 6'3 already, you should have been over 200

and your first cycle was trash, so stop crying, we can read
did you even do a PCT?
So you know what that is

[chuckt12345]

Take it easy man
Your too young,
20 is way too young

if you did a cycle at 6'3 already, you should have been over 200

and your first cycle was trash, so stop crying, we can read
did you even do a PCT?
So you know what that is

agree hes way to young but im missing the first cycle was trash part?

[Hard.On]

agree hes way to young but im missing the first cycle was trash part?

250 mg of test cyp (this is ok i guess)
10 mg of Dbol (pointless)
no pct (trashed his cycle)

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

i know its to young but I dont care. yes i took nolvadex and kept alot of my gains. and i doubt i would be over 200 when before i even started my first cycle i was only 170. so i think i got some pretty amazing results. all of the gains were very lean muscle. mybad im not as hardcore as you lol

[Hard.On]

i know its to young but I dont care. yes i took nolvadex and kept alot of my gains. and i doubt i would be over 200 when before i even started my first cycle i was only 170. so i think i got some pretty amazing results. all of the gains were very lean muscle. mybad im not as hardcore as you lol

Its nothing to do with hardcore
if you put on 20 lbs of lean muscle so easily and kept it with that cycle,
That just shows how much more room you had to grow naturally

also ur immature

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

If he pct'd first cycle and ran a test with dbol cycle i fail to see the trash anywhere in this? Correct me if i'm wrong, but the newbie threads specifically read, that test at 500mg's either c or e should be the first cycle with dbol as a jump start am i right? Someone please explain how this was so terrible for me...

Op- you obviously aren't going to wait on the next cycle so if you are going to do it anyway, then make sure that you do keep the letro or other gyno prevention chems on hand just in case you need them. What doses are you going to run the deca at for the first time, and will the test be at 500mg again?

"dirty d"

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

lol trust me it wasnt easy to put that weight on, it took some serious dieting and training to get all that. anyways mr. mature what kind of cycle do you suggest? i loved that test and how it made me feel

[chuckt12345]

GARBAGE??? ok maybe you werent hearing me right. IT WAS MY FIRST CYCLE and i was doing 500 mg of Test cyp/a week with 40 mg of d-bol a day. i have not purchased a cycle yet i am just looking around at all my options.

[Nooomoto]

IT WAS MY FIRST CYCLE and i was doing 500 mg of Test cyp/a week with 40 mg of d-bol a day.

my first cycle i used 10 mg of D-bol, and to 250 mg of Test Cyp.

Uh...So which was it?

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

thanks dirty d, say i was taking 600 mg/deca a week, and 500 mg of test and PCT with nolvadex and clomid????? also i will be adding of course the other stuff such as

multi-vit
fish oil
milk thisslte
vit-C

also strict dieting at 3500 calorie
with 100 g protein a day

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

it was 500 mg of test a week spread into 2 shots of 250 mg and i took 10 mg of d-bols 4 times throughout the day. mybad if i got that alittle confusing

[Hard.On]

it was 500 mg of test a week spread into 2 shots of 250 mg and i took 10 mg of d-bols 4 times throughout the day. mybad if i got that alittle confusing

YA thats a bit better,
I guess Dirty D understood that where I did not.

Im curious, What do you hope to gain out of using AAS?

[BG]

Its nothing to do with hardcore
if you put on 20 lbs of lean muscle so easily and kept it with that cycle,
That just shows how much more room you had to grow naturally

also ur immature

Take it easy yourself and act mature, they way your confronting is causing him to act that way.

[BG]

How long ago was that 1st cycle, since it seems your stuck on doing another I would go with just test, your not a hardcore bodybuilder your just looking to add some size so 500mgs of test will be fine. Work on your diet some more and you will get the results your looking for. More gear doesnt mean more gains, your diet , training and recovery determine your gains, AAS just helps.

[Hard.On]

Take it easy yourself and act mature, they way your confronting is causing him to act that way.

Your right BG,
I just have had lots of friends when I was younger who had the same attitude as this guy and did AAS anyways for all the wrong reasons.
To look at them now and see what a waste it was for them and where they ended up and how they may still yet be effected in the years to come, it just concerns me.

When someone has already done a cycle at 19 and looking to do another not really looking ahead...... I have a hard time keeping my cool

[BG]

Your right BG,
I just have had lots of friends when I was younger who had the same attitude as this guy and did AAS anyways for all the wrong reasons.
To look at them now and see what a waste it was for them and where they ended up and how they may still yet be effected in the years to come, it just concerns me.

When someone has already done a cycle at 19 and looking to do another not really looking ahead...... I have a hard time keeping my cool

I hear you, at least he's comes off though lol....what kills me is when young guys are interested in cruising.

Why doesnt someone post him a proper pct with hcg, that will help him the most.

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

yea i just plan on doing this cycle and thats it for supps for a while. im not a body builder, i just want to gain some more muscle. thank you BG for the tips. do you have to inject hcg?

so how about this

TEST CYPIONATE 500 MG/WEEK... TUE/FRI ...10 weeks

HCG for the whole 10 weeks

and for my PCT nolvadex 3 weeks after last shot

?

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

yea i just plan on doing this cycle and thats it for supps for a while. im not a body builder, i just want to gain some more muscle. thank you BG for the tips. do you have to inject hcg?

so how about this

TEST CYPIONATE 500 MG/WEEK... TUE/FRI ...10 weeks

HCG for the whole 10 weeks

and for my PCT nolvadex 3 weeks after last shot

?

[Mooseman33]

hcg must be injected, but its a real easy shot, subq.

as to ur cycle, i dont think u will need hcg for 10 weeks of just a test cycle, think it is overkill.
many on this board feel hcg must be ran, i dont.
PCT needs help, throw some clomid in with the nolva and run it for 4 weeks, maybe longer pending ur recovery...

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

so just test, clomid, and nolva is all i need and i should be set? also what size needle do i need to use i forgot from last time.

[bjohnson1968]

thanks dirty d, say i was taking 600 mg/deca a week, and 500 mg of test and PCT with nolvadex and clomid????? also i will be adding of course the other stuff such as

multi-vit
fish oil
milk thisslte
vit-C

also strict dieting at 3500 calorie
with 100 g protein a day

That's a problem Bro 100 grams of protein ain't gonna cut it you need 1.5 grams per lb of body weight

whats your bmr and tdee

Peace

[BG]

HCG , lite clomid and nolva for pct. Hcg gets shot into skin fold with a insulin pin 500iu's e3d or eod (10,000iu total), nolva 20mgs/ clomid 50mgs ed for 3-4 weeks.

[Mooseman33]

so just test, clomid, and nolva is all i need and i should be set? also what size needle do i need to use i forgot from last time.

thats just it man, no telling if u will be all set.
there are a ton of things that can pop up on cycle that need to be handled asap. we are manipulating our chemicals/hormones man, this is serious stuff, this is the main reason we are so tough on uneducated users starting early.
u need to have something on hand in case u have a gyno flare-up. i suggest adex.
u should also know what kind of pins to use, for principal i wont tell u, figure some of it out on your own.

but i will say that u should 100% not cycle now. you should learn and realize what the hell you are doing.

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

yea im deffinitly not gonna start my cycle yet. im gonna wait another month and keep doing more research on all this stuff before i start doing anything. im just giving examples and seeing what all i need to support my body.

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

In reality you have everything going for you to support and even enlarge your body bro. But thats not the question on hand.

Hcg is a must to some people, but others don't think so. I wouldn't in this case if you decide to just run test. Maybe consider it with deca, but as far as the doses you stated there, 600mg a week of deca would be good and 500-600 of test and then like mooseman said, keep adex or letro on hand for gyno flare.

But if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet that you could spend under $100 and get your free/total testosterone, lipid, progesterone, and estrogen levels checked and when you get the results and read how high your testosterone is at your age (i did this a couple months ago) you will see that injecting 500mg's of test isn't worth it considering your body probably hold close to that if not more.

I hold 545mg total in me personally. So that has decided for me not to cycle for at least a year. You can make these gains with your own hormones, they just aren't roaming around as when you inject it, but your body can do it man you just gotta work for it lol.

I know you are gonna do it anyway when you get it lined up straight with the pocket cuz i did, so my advice is like you said: At least wait a month or more and read about all the compounds and sides, and how they work alone and when together. Then make your best run at it.

AS FAR AS PIN SIZE- IT DEPENDS WHERE YOU WILL BE SHOOTING AT...? DELTS AND QUADS DON'T REQUIRE AS LARGE AS GLUTES SO WHERE DO YOU PIN AT?

"DIRTY D"

[crazycoolguy007]

originally you had said 250 mg of test and 10 dbol. is that what u did? i was planning on a similar procedure but someone said 10 mg dbol was a waste. Im a beginner and i dont want massive results to begin with. i would be happy with 15-20 pounds. i am 5'7 and weigh 170 lbs. How where the side effects at that low dose?

[GMAN(get"N"swole)]

thanks alot dirty d, you've been alot of help. which test would you recommend?

crazycoolguy007 i was injecting 250mg of test twice a week and taking 10 mg of dbol four times daily.