DBOL/WINNY cycle

[stevo123]

had a couple questions regarding a dbol/winny cycle, of course not running both at the same time considering the 17aa's.
Im a college athlete so im restricted to orals, i have ran some inject cycles in the past but i have about a 3 and a half month window this summer to take something before reporting back in the fall.
currently 22, a lean 6'1" 210lbs and a very hard/experienced lifter, i know most people would consider it to be a bogus or bad cycle but not really interested in hearing about going back to the drawing board considering i dont have much to work with here.
i was thinking about running the dbol for about 6-7 weeks at about 25-35mg a day and closing out the remainder of the summer with 50-60mg of winny per day and will be lifting almost everyday on top of playing summer ball.
can someone give me there thoughts on how to utilize the dbol/winny to its full potential given the time frame i have with drug testing ect...and would pct be necissary after running these 2 orals, just the dbol ive heard yes but mixed reviews about using pct after winny...any advice would help thanks

[G4R]

Please read this first:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398146

And why is oral better than injection just because you are a college athlete? Orals show up in steroid testing just as injectables do.

[stevo123]

yes orals show up on a detection test but the detection time with orals is much shorter and injects stay in the system longer

[G4R]

Yes, I understand how it works.

Did you read the thread I posted?

[stevo123]

yes I read the post I understand the risks involved with taking steroids at a fairly young age

[Knockout_Power]

Did you read the thread I posted?

x2...

Your proposed cycle is such a bad idea in so many ways.

[stevo123]

well do you have any other ideas for what to take for 3 months

[G4R]

Do you understand the sides that come with running only Dbol, and Winny? How are you going to combat the water retention? PCT is always required, have you researched how they work, or what you may need? Have you searched for 'Dbol only cycles' on here to see what everyone thinks about it?

[Knockout_Power]

well do you have any other ideas for what to take for 3 months

I would take the 3 months to do the proper research before running a cycle. If you dont want injectables, stay away from cycling right now. Its always a bad idea to rush anything.

[stevo123]

yes i know dbol has alot of water retention, and dbol only cycles arent usually used because its used to kickstart an inject cycle and shouldnt be ran for a long time, would it be more beneficial to take test prop and the winny, all things considered could someone give advice on what to take for the little time that i have...

[Knockout_Power]

See, that is already an infinately better cycle as long as PCT is well planned out. I honestly dont think you even need the winny. Prop gives nice lean gains without much water. a good 10-12 week cycle around 4-500/wk can yeild great results

[stevo123]

alright great thank you very much

[fanatic]

Test P and var would be your best bet IMO... var works well and is far less harsh and Test P has a short halflife and kicks in much more quickly. Anything you gain from a Dbol-only cycle would be lost lost just as quickly. Good luck.

[stevo123]

would you recommend just injecting once a week or splitting it up about 125mg eod?

[G4R]

would you recommend just injecting once a week or splitting it up about 125mg eod?

Prop needs to be shot ED or a min of EOD. Still think you need hold off, you could end up with more problems at your age.