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[Juicedupmonkey]

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So do I keep my fat intake the same? Just take fat out of some meals and put it into other ones? And with the changes you made it bring up my carbs to 155. And I'll increase calories to maintenance to preserve muscle

[Ronnie Rowland]

so do i keep my fat intake the same? i reduced them! Just take fat out of some meals and put it into other ones? no keep fats to what i suggested (breakfast and night time only if you want to stay lean as possible ) and with the changes you made it bring up my carbs to 155. yes and i'll increase calories to maintenance to preserve muscle i would since you are coming off

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[laduem88]

Ronnie for the 8 weeks on , 2 weeks cruise, then 8 weeks on

with long esters wouldn't 8 weeks be too short? if not then wouldn't you want to do short esters for something like 6 weeks? just curious because i want to do test e/tren e/Dbol for the first re-load then test e/tren e/masteron for the 2nd re-load (might just do short esters for the 2nd reload test p/tren ace/masteron p)

[laduem88]

this is what I was planning:

phase 1:

weeks: 1-4 Dbol: 40mg ed
weeks 1-8 Test E: 500mg ew
weeks 1-8 Tren E: 400mg ew


De-load: Test E @ 250mg ew


Phase 2:

weeks 1-8: Test E @ 250 mg ew
weeks 1-8: Tren A @ 75mg ed
weeks 1-8: Masteron @ 100mg ed

De-load: Test E @ 250mg ew

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie for the 8 weeks on , 2 weeks cruise, then 8 weeks on

with long esters wouldn't 8 weeks be too short? Absolutely not! Just because it takes a couple of weeks to kick in hard does not mean it's not already working to build muscle. if not then wouldn't you want to do short esters for something like 6 weeks? No need stay with 8 weeks. just curious because i want to do test e/tren e/Dbol for the first re-load then test e/tren e/masteron for the 2nd re-load (might just do short esters for the 2nd reload test p/tren ace/masteron p)stay with 8 week reloads regardless ester.

above

[laduem88]

above

cool thanks...so what do you think of this lay out? anything you would change?

phase 1:

weeks: 1-4 Dbol: 40mg ed
weeks 1-8 Test E: 500mg ew
weeks 1-8 Tren E: 400mg ew


De-load: Test E @ 250mg ew


Phase 2:

weeks 1-8: Test E @ 250 mg ew
*(test e is already kicked in so might as well run it)
weeks 1-8: Tren A @ 75mg ed
weeks 1-8: Masteron @ 100mg ed

De-load: Test E @ 250mg ew

[Ronnie Rowland]

cool thanks...so what do you think of this lay out? Anything you would change?

Phase 1:

Weeks: 1-4 dbol: 40mg ed
weeks 1-8 test e: 500mg ew
weeks 1-8 tren e: 400mg ew


de-load: Test e @ 250mg ew


phase 2:

Weeks 1-8: Test e @ 250 mg ew (run test e at 750- 1 gram per week as 250 mgs is not enough!) *(test e is already kicked in so might as well run it)
weeks 1-8: Tren a @ 75mg ed
weeks 1-8: Masteron @ 100mg ed ( i would stick with slow acting esters all the time if possible because you are going to feel like a pin cushion after phase 2)

de-load: Test e @ 250mg ew

answers above and remember, test is test, tren is tren, and masteron is masteron regardless of ester. So it's best to do less injections using slow esters unless you like jabbing yourself with a needle!

[laduem88]

answers above and remember, test is test, tren is tren, and masteron is masteron regardless of ester. So it's best to do less injections using slow esters unless you like jabbing yourself with a needle!

since you said run the test @ 750mg + wouldent that make more sides when running tren? its to my impression that you should run test lower than tren to let the tren do the work? plus it reduces sides iv heard