First Cycle...Anavar, Winstrol, or TBol before summer?

[g_bains]

Hey guys, I've been lurking around this forum for a while now. I couldn't quite find someone who had posted this question that was in the same height/weight range as me so I thought I'd start a new thread. I've read a lot on 'var, winni, and TBol, but im still not quite sure what route I should take.

Background info: I am 22 years old, 6' and weigh in right now at 178lbs. I have more of a skinny-fat body type (my core is quite bulky, but my arms are relatively skinny) I have been working out for a while now and am ready to take some gear. My diet is very clean and I get about 2500 calories/day.

Question: I have some fat around my stomach and chest area that I want to get rid of before summer. Would you suggest taking 'Var, Winni, or TBol to help me achieve this along with a calorie deficit? I really want to gain size as well and add in Test, however, I don't have that sort of time before my summer begins so I will save the heavy bulking for September. I want a steroid that will help me gain the most mass and that will maximize cutting in muscles. I know that is kind of an oxymoron, but while I cut, I hope to at least gain a few pounds while shedding all my fat. What type of gear do you think will help me with this and in what dose? I'm leaning towards 6 weeks of 'var at 50-60mgs. Here are some pics I took about a month ago for reference. Note, this pics were taken a month ago and I have gained some size in my arms while firming up my chest and stomach.

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/z...00310-2128.jpg

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/z...00310-2128.jpg

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/z...00110-2004.jpg

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/z...00312-1324.jpg
(you can see how skinny my arms are when stretched and not flexed...really old pic, but still kind of have that problem)

Thanks for any helps guys. I've been getting all kinds of different suggestions from people I know and so I thought I'd ask the experts.

[Hard.On]

If you were lurking around this forum then you would have known that your stats and pics clearly show that you are not ready to touch AAS.

Keep researching bro.
Start at the diet section.

[g_bains]

If you were lurking around this forum then you would have known that your stats and pics clearly show that you are not ready to touch AAS.

Keep researching bro.
Start at the diet section.

Thanks for the quick reply, but why exactly do you think I'm not ready...Is it because I'm under the age 25 bracket? I have a few friends my age who have taken cycles and have had huge gains with little/no side effects...well so far. I know my size isn't that great, but believe me when I say I have a good workout plan and diet. I've searched many diet/workout plans and have integrated them into my plan. It's just hard for my body to gain size without gaining fat. I would love to gain size in my arms, but I would have to risk adding size to my stomach and that is why I was hoping to take one cutting cycle for summer so I could start with a clean slate for september when I begin to bulk. Hopefully with my pre-summer cycle I will get rid of my excess fat and be ready for a clean bulk in september. What do the rest of you guys think?

[thegodfather]

AAS is not the answer for you. Your bodyfat percentage looks EXTREMELY high. If you did not tell me you were 178lbs, I would have guessed you were around 160lbs. That's probably about the weight you should cut down to in order to get your bodyfat lower. Additionally, if you have been lurking, you would know that no one on here will often recommend an oral only cycle. You are a long long way off from needing steroids to achieve your goals. I'll be brutally honest dude, but it doesn't even look like you lift weights. You need to visit the diet/training forum and post your diet, and get some serious advice in that area. Also post your training to see if that can be tweaked at all. For the next 2 years though, forget about AAS. You will be doing more harm than good for yourself at such a high bodyfat percentage. I would guess you are around 16-18%bf. You should use this summer to do a serious cutter, AM cardio and a cutting diet, but you do not need AAS, you are holding very little muscle right now. I'd be interested to hear some of your numbers on your lifts. How long have you been weigh training for?

[g_bains]

Hmmm...okay I guess I shouldn't be getting involved with AAS. I know a lot of people criticize an oral only cycle, I just thought it would be good for strictly cutting. Those pictures are actually quite dated too...I took some of those two months ago and they are all relaxed pictures.
In terms of diet, here is a sample of what I ate yesterday:
meal 1: 1 cup oats, 1 scoop whey, 1 tbsp pb, 4oz banana
meal 2: 2 cups vector cereal, 1/2 cup oats, broccoli
meal 3: (PWO) 1.5 scoops whey, 3 grams creatine
meal 4: 6oz red meat, 1/2 cup oats, 2 fish oils
meal 5: whole wheat wrap with brown rice, 4oz grilled chicken, lettuce
meal 6: vector protein bar, multivitamin (out at a friends house)
meal 7: 12-grain whole wheat bagel with 1/2 cup tuna

In terms of lifting, for a rough idea, I recently adopted the 5x5 workout program consisting of main exercises:
5x5 75lb dumb bells on flat bench + 2 other chest exercises of 2x8-10reps
5x5 skull crushers with 75lb dumbell + 2 other tri exercises of 2x8 reps
5x5 deadlifts with 65lbs on each side of barbell + 2 other back exercises 2x8-10 reps
5x5 70lb preacher curls + 2 other bi exercises 2x8 reps
I also workout shoulders/traps, quads, calves, but not on the 5x5 workout. That's just a rough idea. I hit the gym about 3-5 days a week and always add at least 15 mins cardio to the end of my workout...usually HITT on elliptical. I'm a full-time university student by the way so sometimes time gets tight for me, but I always make it out to the gym.

I really appreciate the constructive criticism, thanks to both users who posted above. I'm thinking of steering away from AAS now, its just weird that friends who were once around the exact same size as me are doing so well on them. Maybe you guys can just give me feedback on my workout/diet if you don't think I should get started with AAS.

[g_bains]

BTW, my diet has only been implemented for about 5 months now, however a solid 5 months...before that, I was eating a lot of processed food...I don't know if that makes a difference.

[g_bains]

anyone else have any input?? I would really appreciate any advice.

[cobra305]

A really good pre summer cutting cycle for you would include a shitload of cardio and a good diet.

[D7M]

Hmmm...okay I guess I shouldn't be getting involved with AAS. I know a lot of people criticize an oral only cycle, I just thought it would be good for strictly cutting. Those pictures are actually quite dated too...I took some of those two months ago and they are all relaxed pictures.
In terms of diet, here is a sample of what I ate yesterday:
meal 1: 1 cup oats, 1 scoop whey, 1 tbsp pb, 4oz banana
meal 2: 2 cups vector cereal, 1/2 cup oats, broccoli
meal 3: (PWO) 1.5 scoops whey, 3 grams creatine
meal 4: 6oz red meat, 1/2 cup oats, 2 fish oils
meal 5: whole wheat wrap with brown rice, 4oz grilled chicken, lettuce
meal 6: vector protein bar, multivitamin (out at a friends house)
meal 7: 12-grain whole wheat bagel with 1/2 cup tuna

In terms of lifting, for a rough idea, I recently adopted the 5x5 workout program consisting of main exercises:
5x5 75lb dumb bells on flat bench + 2 other chest exercises of 2x8-10reps
5x5 skull crushers with 75lb dumbell + 2 other tri exercises of 2x8 reps
5x5 deadlifts with 65lbs on each side of barbell + 2 other back exercises 2x8-10 reps
5x5 70lb preacher curls + 2 other bi exercises 2x8 reps
I also workout shoulders/traps, quads, calves, but not on the 5x5 workout. That's just a rough idea. I hit the gym about 3-5 days a week and always add at least 15 mins cardio to the end of my workout...usually HITT on elliptical. I'm a full-time university student by the way so sometimes time gets tight for me, but I always make it out to the gym.

I really appreciate the constructive criticism, thanks to both users who posted above. I'm thinking of steering away from AAS now, its just weird that friends who were once around the exact same size as me are doing so well on them. Maybe you guys can just give me feedback on my workout/diet if you don't think I should get started with AAS.

^Your diet needs major help, bro.

Go start a thread in the diet forum.

And at your bf, 15min of cardio is not going to cut it. If you want to get lean, cardio is going to have to be your new best friend...

[g_bains]

looks like no juice for me this summer...maybe next year. I appreciate the advice. I'll start at the diet forum.

[t-gunz]

glad you got your head screwed on mate. best of luck with your diet and your new friend cardio lol

[hankdiesel]

looks like no juice for me this summer...maybe next year. I appreciate the advice. I'll start at the diet forum.

Wise choice bro. I wish there was more younger people like you willing to listen. Good luck with the diet and cardio.